I recently saw a clip of this Chinese wrestling and it looked a lot like Judo. So I was wondering if there was anyone here who has/or is training in Shuai Chiao and what they see the similarities/differences are between it and Judo, especially in concern to kazushi, ukemi, footwork, training, do they have forms like other Chinese arts? etc etc I've heard they wear a smaller tighter jacket and can allow strikes?(I think). Any info would be appreciated

Thanks

I used to work out with a guy that had extensive training in Shuai Chiao. I used to train the techniques for a few hours a week for about a year, maybe less. I would say the big difference is that one is much less concerned about how uke lands. They have many throws in which you land on your chest and face. Off balancing and footwork were almost identical. Ukemi is very different. In Shuai Chiao you assume a kind of fetal position when you fall. Many of the throws you just kind of curl up into a ball. I was training in a tjj at the time so it was hard for me not to use japanese style ukemi but I remember the ukemi in Shuai Chiao being effective. Also they classify the techniques by what they do as opposed to Judo which classifies based on the primary part of the body involved.

Is this the thread you mean?

http://mma.tv/tuf/index.cfm?ac=ListMessage...12&FID=22&pc=15


There's lots in the archives here, if you've not seen em

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.martial...ch?q=Shou+Jiao&

Is there any historical relationships between Chinese/mongolian wrestling and Japanese arts? How 'bout Okinawan arts? Certainly, the boxing influence is clear on Karate, and there is some argument whether there was any meaningful influence on Japanese jujutsu. I am curious if there was any influence in the wrestling or grappling styles.

I am very curious to learn more about these subjects.

I personally don't see how Shuai Chiao couldn't have at least an indirect influence but I don't think there is any direct proof of it so who knows.

The current issue (volume 15 number 1 - 2006) of the Journal of Asian Martial Arts has an excellent article on Shuai Jiao. Highly recommended read for Judokas.

Thanks Judodad. I will have to head over to B&N at lunch.

Thanks for all the info!
Actually I went round to a mates and he had the clip on his computer of what looked like a competition in China, except that it was in a giant sand-pit, and the referee wore a cloak and had a feather in his funny hat.

Sounds pretty intense that they throw people onto their faces. I wonder if they get many injuries during training, or if they've some how got ukemi that will protect themselves from Shogun Rua type injuries.
I'll have to save up my money to get either that Cartmell book, or the JAMA

I got linked by a friend this page on another forum which has a heap of Shuai Jiao videos. I think the sand-pit one that I saw before was called Yee:
http://www.cyberkwoon.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14004
Enjoy

More SC drills

The sandpit fight was s-o-o-o freestyle wrestling..

Or rather, freestyle wrestling is sooo Shuai Chiao

I'm confused on the use of the uniform. Some depictions show the use of a jacket with very short sleeves. Other depictions, such as the sand match, do not look that they use the jacket. Are there different styles?

I get the impression that Shaui Jiao can mean any kind of Chinese wrestling, whether it be a highly organized one with grades, a set uniform and a philosophy etc etc and also folk wrestling that might go on at country fairs, which the sand pit one looked like to me. I've also seen that jacket, sort of tighters, doesn't cross over, shorter sleeves. I wonder what its relationship with any type of clothing is? I mean, if the Judogi is based on traditional underwear, or at least samui, then what does that sort of jacket relate to Chinese cothing?

and this is a informative website

http://www.ycgf.org/ShuaiJiao/ShuaiJiao_Home.html

Cool website, thanks for the link. I especially liked the history section, that was the best description of Shuai Chiao history I've read on the net.