Jôin Oda Ne Waza, Tsuneta is mispronciation of his given name. Options

[Ben Reinhardt]

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This post has been edited by Ben Reinhardt: Aug 15 2009, 09:43 PM

[Cichorei Kano]

His first name is pronounced 'Jôin', not 'Tsuneta' (despite all the erroneous sources claiming the opposite).

[Mdrnsamurai]

Not to start this debate over but here we go.

Master Tsunetane Oda
by Toshikazu Okada
Edited by Alessio Oltremari and Hal Sharp
Translated by Gary Goltz using Google
Introduction
The author Toshikazu Okada with Hal Sharp


If one thing has characterized my life it has to be my love of Judo. I have lived many years outside of Japan because of my job, but even when it was difficult I always found a way to practice. Judo has given me the will to overcome hardships and to bring out the best in me. I have had many senseis and still to this day try to study how to make the most of every day at the Kodokan. But there was a sensei that had been particularly important to me and who has deeply influenced the way I feel about and practice Judo. That was Master Tsunetane Oda.

It has given me much happiness to discover that Master Oda is well remembered and that many people still question me on his life. My friends have asked me to write something, therefore, I am happy to relate some of my memories. It should be noted that while Tsunetane is his proper name, his preferred name in Japan is Joine but the Kanji is the same.

This is taken from the Judo Information site:
Master Tsunetane Oda

Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck

[Ben Reinhardt]

Not to start this debate over but here we go.

Master Tsunetane Oda
by Toshikazu Okada
Edited by Alessio Oltremari and Hal Sharp
Translated by Gary Goltz using Google
Introduction
The author Toshikazu Okada with Hal Sharp
If one thing has characterized my life it has to be my love of Judo. I have lived many years outside of Japan because of my job, but even when it was difficult I always found a way to practice. Judo has given me the will to overcome hardships and to bring out the best in me. I have had many senseis and still to this day try to study how to make the most of every day at the Kodokan. But there was a sensei that had been particularly important to me and who has deeply influenced the way I feel about and practice Judo. That was Master Tsunetane Oda.

It has given me much happiness to discover that Master Oda is well remembered and that many people still question me on his life. My friends have asked me to write something, therefore, I am happy to relate some of my memories. It should be noted that while Tsunetane is his proper name, his preferred name in Japan is Joine but the Kanji is the same.

This is taken from the Judo Information site:

Master Tsunetane Oda

Very interesting reading, with a somewhat different take on the Kosen movement.

What was/is the controversy? How his name is pronounced?

[Cichorei Kano]

Not to start this debate over but here we go.

Master Tsunetane Oda
by Toshikazu Okada
Edited by Alessio Oltremari and Hal Sharp
Translated by Gary Goltz using Google
Introduction
The author Toshikazu Okada with Hal Sharp
If one thing has characterized my life it has to be my love of Judo. I have lived many years outside of Japan because of my job, but even when it was difficult I always found a way to practice. Judo has given me the will to overcome hardships and to bring out the best in me. I have had many senseis and still to this day try to study how to make the most of every day at the Kodokan. But there was a sensei that had been particularly important to me and who has deeply influenced the way I feel about and practice Judo. That was Master Tsunetane Oda.

It has given me much happiness to discover that Master Oda is well remembered and that many people still question me on his life. My friends have asked me to write something, therefore, I am happy to relate some of my memories. It should be noted that while Tsunetane is his proper name, his preferred name in Japan is Joine but the Kanji is the same.

This is taken from the Judo Information site:
Master Tsunetane Oda

Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck

Doesn't matter. His name is Jôin, not Tsunetane, as I had already indicated, in spite of the errors in most publications. There exists something called 'primary sources', which is somewhat different from what is available to the world to the general public. You will also find many sources that say that Nagaoka's first name was Hidekazu or Shûichi; they are all wrong, it was Hideichi, just like Yamashita's first name was not Yoshiaki but Yoshitsugu. Many names in Japanese can be read in multiple ways, and sometimes one does not know unless one asks the person. The first name of Oda was Jôin, as clearly indicated by the furigana added by himself in Jūdō wa Kakushite Kate, Nampokusha, Tōkyō, 1919; in Jūdō wa Kakushite Susume, Oda Dōjō Shuppan bu, 1949;, in Jūdō Manabu Hito no Tame ni. Okumura Shoten, Tō-kyō, 1950; and in Jūdō Taikan, Shoshikan, Tōkyō, 1929, as well as in his signature.

Oftentimes those who might have known the person or might have been direct students might not even know, as sensei are not typically addressed in Japan by their first name. I asked Abe and Daigo one day what now precisely the correct pronunciation of Nagaoka's first name was. Both were direct students of him, neither could answer my question. This is where the researcher and linguist come in.

[JoshuaResnick]

Ben, is there any way that somebody could get a DVD copy of those?

I enjoy the historicals very much. =)

[Cichorei Kano]

Ben, is there any way that somebody could get a DVD copy of those?

I enjoy the historicals very much. =)

Good question. No official DVD exists. But, your question is very appropriate since the quality of the YouTube clips is very poor. The recording was commercially made available in France many years ago on video, but never issued on DVD. Although still not the greatest quality it is at least much better than the YouTube clip. It came out in a series together with a tape on Ichirô Abe and one with various masters of the Kodokan. I think one or two of these tapes was also reissued in Germany, but not all three. So that it where you would need to be looking. They were never issued in the US or any other English-speaking country, only in French and German.

[Shindai Warrior]

Good question. No official DVD exists. But, your question is very appropriate since the quality of the YouTube clips is very poor. The recording was commercially made available in France many years ago on video, but never issued on DVD. Although still not the greatest quality it is at least much better than the YouTube clip. It came out in a series together with a tape on Ichirô Abe and one with various masters of the Kodokan. I think one or two of these tapes was also reissued in Germany, but not all three. So that it where you would need to be looking. They were never issued in the US or any other English-speaking country, only in French and German.

The technology to transfer videotape onto digital format is widely available now and not expensive. Hopefully someone in France and/or Germany have better quality originals and decide to preserve these recordings for posterity.

Any forum members in France or Germany, ask around and let us know what you can find.

[Ben Reinhardt]

Ben, is there any way that somebody could get a DVD copy of those?

I enjoy the historicals very much. =)

I have no idea, Josh, I got them from You Tube. Maybe the poster of them has contact info there?

Looks like CK answered your question.

This post has been edited by Ben Reinhardt: Aug 16 2009, 07:09 AM

[JoshuaResnick]

oh lord.... now the hunt begins. =)