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If most elite players are always trying to wiggle out of every throw and land on their feet........Why practice ukemi so much?
No elite players or even local competitors just take a fall when caught,they all try to wiggle out.
If I would take a fall everytime I get halfway caught with something everyone would throw me for ippon all the time.Shouldn't we be practicing gymnastics for ukemi instead?
Why practice breakfalls?
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 11:22 AM
Guest, on Aug 18 2005, 11:02 AM, said:
If most elite players are always trying to wiggle out of every throw and land on their feet........Why practice ukemi so much?
No elite players or even local competitors just take a fall when caught,they all try to wiggle out.
If I would take a fall everytime I get halfway caught with something everyone would throw me for ippon all the time.Shouldn't we be practicing gymnastics for ukemi instead?
No elite players or even local competitors just take a fall when caught,they all try to wiggle out.
If I would take a fall everytime I get halfway caught with something everyone would throw me for ippon all the time.Shouldn't we be practicing gymnastics for ukemi instead?
Dumb question. You obviously never worked out with a real Judoka. Ippon hurts if you think turned out will save you.
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 11:32 AM
No Understanding of Ukemi, and no practice leads to:
Broken Arms
Broken Necks
Smashed pelvis
Damage to Internal organs
End of story.
Broken Arms
Broken Necks
Smashed pelvis
Damage to Internal organs
End of story.
The best counter or escape is not to be there in the first place.
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 12:44 PM
In my opinion, beginners should learn good ukemi for several reasons.
First, it prevents injuries. 'Nuff said.
Second, It helps new students through the instinctive fear of falling. As they learn and get better at ukemi, this fear will subside as a hinderance in learning the other techniques of Judo. Fear of falling is probably the number one reason prospective students give me for not trying Judo.
Third, experienced students can add turnouts after they have reached a point in their training where they can do them safely. There are many stories of broken limbs, dislocated shoulders, broken necks, etc from Judoka trying turnouts without proper experience and training.
My 2C worth.
TomR
First, it prevents injuries. 'Nuff said.
Second, It helps new students through the instinctive fear of falling. As they learn and get better at ukemi, this fear will subside as a hinderance in learning the other techniques of Judo. Fear of falling is probably the number one reason prospective students give me for not trying Judo.
Third, experienced students can add turnouts after they have reached a point in their training where they can do them safely. There are many stories of broken limbs, dislocated shoulders, broken necks, etc from Judoka trying turnouts without proper experience and training.
My 2C worth.
TomR
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 03:39 PM
I agree with Tom above. First you have to learn how to fall down SAFELY from any throw. That's why I practice ukemi during every judo "class". When one gets proficient in the art of falling one may begin to learn to land safely without giving points to the opponent. I think this takes bit more gymnastics training than just ukemi. In our club we do a bit of gymnastics sometimes. Finally I don't mind doing a proper ukemi in randori when my opponent gets a good throw. They had me that time so I do the ukemi, get up and continue fighting and try to learn from my mistakes.
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 04:12 PM
Tori can't do proper nage-komi if uke can't ukemi.
Gymnastic turnouts should probably be taught more and earlier than they are, but not everyone is proficient at teaching them so they are slow to catch on.
Turnouts are more of an adaptation to the sport scoring system than an improved MA approach over standard ukemi per se.
Gymnastic turnouts should probably be taught more and earlier than they are, but not everyone is proficient at teaching them so they are slow to catch on.
Turnouts are more of an adaptation to the sport scoring system than an improved MA approach over standard ukemi per se.
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 04:12 PM
you will only get as good as your falling IMO
during randori take falls and slap if necessary
at a competition is when it is up to you to decide if you want to turn out to reduce a score.
not saying you cant practice turning out in randori either
during randori take falls and slap if necessary
at a competition is when it is up to you to decide if you want to turn out to reduce a score.
not saying you cant practice turning out in randori either
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 06:08 PM
I know quite a few higher grades that can't breakfall well, some with impressive contest records. I think guest may have point, having said that I'm very happy to be good at ukemi and to use it.
It does throw up an important question for coaches of elite players, I wonder what their take on it is?
It does throw up an important question for coaches of elite players, I wonder what their take on it is?
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Posted 18 August 2005 - 06:46 PM
I read somewhere - I think in some of the books by a big name judoka, that ukemis are good for, if for nothing else, knowing where your hands are when you are falling in competition, so that you do not end up with hand wrapped up underneath you and broken elbow.
I find this to be a big true. I've experienced this first hand - broken elbows and arms wrapped backwards are bad injuries.
I find this to be a big true. I've experienced this first hand - broken elbows and arms wrapped backwards are bad injuries.
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Posted 19 August 2005 - 01:16 AM
Also if you fall on the street etc.
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(Regarding fencing - which included all weapons and wrestling) it is noble, and in my opinion to be preferred next to divinity, for as divinity preserves the soul from hell and the devil, so does this noble science defend the body from wounds & slaughter. And moreover, the exercising of weapons puts away aches, griefs, and diseases, it increases strength, and sharpens the wits. It gives a perfect judgement, it expels melancholy, choleric and evil conceits, it keeps a man in breath, perfect health, and long life. It is unto him that has the perfection thereof, a most friendly and comfortable companion when he is alone, having but only his weapon about him. It puts him out of fear, & in the wars and places of most danger, it makes him bold, hardy and valiant. - George Silver, Paradoxes of Defence, Chapter 1 (1599)
