Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:49 PM
Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:56 PM
My 2 cents: stay and survive, the biggest ippon for you will be to win over yourself. Masakatsu agatsu!
Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:19 PM
Well this little brainstorm does have a point. Its that there is no need to compete if you dont want to. But when your teacher tells you, you should be more aggressive, in fact he means you should have more dedication to your technique. A different kind from when you are doing uchi komi/nage komi or kata, but important nonetheless for judo.
Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:34 PM
Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:03 PM
Ignore this guy >>>> Replying To Does MMA really need "Trash Talking"?
Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:23 AM
So you are stating that unless one takes up an art that forces them to be aggressive they can't defend themselves? I have to disagree with that. A lot of aikido and tai chi chuan practitioners are not aggressive people.
Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:32 AM
If I were you, I would just continue doing the Judo as you want to. No-one can ever force you to compete if you dont want to.
I have a few students that also are simply not cut from the competition cloth as well. We dont have a problem with that at all.
Unless of course your particular NGB requires competition points for grading, then you may be in a spot of bother and I dont have a solution if that is the case?
Are there no alternative clubs you can go to?
Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:59 AM
Have you considered Kata competition?
Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:33 AM
And for the most part those people can't fight either.
Listen OP. Aggression and peacefulness are both parts of what makes us human. In my daily life I encounter lots of people who swing to one extreme or the other (being both heavily involved in causes favored by hippies and combat sports makes that likely). A complete person has to try to balance these things within themselves. If you're aggro all the time you're not just harmful to others you also deplete all your energy in getting into petty beef. If you're squishy and loving to everything you harm yourself by letting others walk all over you and lose the ability to back up your standards of right and wrong with force if you have to.
In life as in on the mat, you have to balance aggression and peacefulness. If you don't attack with real oomph, especially in randori, you're denying your partner the benefits of the exercise.
Posted 19 February 2012 - 08:56 PM
Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:28 PM
Here is a basic definition:
"Aggression, in its broadest sense, is behavior, or a disposition towards behavior, that is forceful, hostile or attacking. It may occur either in retaliation or without provocation. In narrower definitions that are commonly used in psychology and other social and behavioral sciences, aggression involves an intention to cause harm, even if only as a means to an end."
I think this would support Dutch's basic assertion as to the meaning of aggression. I certainly hope that the OP's club is not defined by this. That's basically these guys:
I think in judo we want to foster a 'fighting spirit', which is different from aggression. At least that's my personal experience so far. This is a belief in oneself, and one's abilities, and a certain resolve succeed, and to not give up -- to keep trying to prevail no matter what. I wouldn't define that as aggression. Further, I think one of the things we are trying to learn about when practicing judo, is to develop a belief in one's worth and capability by slowly and surely training oneself, and building oneself up to be stronger. Then, as your confidence grows, you attack more, as your belief that the attack can succeed grows, and your fear of failure diminishes.
One way we learn how to develop courage, resolve, and belief in oneself, aside from hard training, is to fail and try again. To keep getting knocked down, and keep getting up. Continual improvement, continual training. Never miss practice, etc. That's the purpose of shiai, to put oneself in the eye of the storm, and face it with skill, resolve and courage, not with aggression.
In fact, to put a point on my point, I've seen judo coaches CALM their players, in an effort to REDUCE aggression. Why? Because the aggression was making the judoka make stupid mistakes. There's the old saying: "The best defense is a good offense". In judo a better saying would be: "The best action is the right reaction."
Ultimately, judo training is about fine tuning your reactions. Action - reaction. Judo training will build reactions to certain actions. That really transcends notions of 'aggressive' or non-aggressive.
This post has been edited by bythesea: 19 February 2012 - 11:38 PM
Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:36 PM
Define aggression? Remember Judo is about using your energy efficiently. There is no particular level of aggression required.
But, while you shouldn't be aggressive for the sake of being aggressive, you should also make sure to never miss your opportunity.
Keep at Judo as long as you enjoy it. At some point nobody will criticize you for lack of aggression, because when you do attack, you throw. Nobody will make you compete either because you'd already proven yourself.
I think the only thing you need to worry about is how to make the most out of every practice.
Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:41 PM
At some point you will be able to learn a lot about someone just looking at how they play Judo. Maybe the people in your new club just aren't your kind of people.
Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:52 PM
You have proven you fully understand aggression and being aggressive. Subject closed. And thank you for your service.
As to Judo, what you don't wish to be is defensive. That means, just waiting to counter is not good Judo. One needs to attack as well as defend, use combination and counters; but do so in proper balance.
In shiai, this is measured as attacking with a minimum frequency and playing with a minimum of pure defensiveness as set by the rules.
Ask the coach/instructor/sensei if by aggressive they are trying to really discuss frequency of attacks and commitment of the attacks made. I believe that will likely be the case.
In Judo, generally being aggressive for aggression's sake leads to poorer Judo filled with more mistakes, than when you function from a cool headed position and frame of mind.
No need to eat anyone's heart or liver after a successful ippon.
"What you are as a person is far more important than what you are as a basketball [Judo] player." --John Wooden 1910-2010
"You should first try to negotiate nicely but you can be strong after there's resistance, and know, just like in judo, when to catch them." --Rusty Kanokogi, 2008, on negotiating.
Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:12 PM
This post has been edited by bigpoppa: 29 February 2012 - 06:13 PM