[Auspex]

Was in class yesterday when Sensei asks if there is anything in particular we are interested in...My mind starts racing and before I can answer, a younger guy inquires about kata guruma. I'm a shorter, athletic guy (5'8", 175lbs) and kata guruma could be a great throw for me. Sensei starts to demo the throw and I begin to raise my hand about it's application within the new rule set and BAM!!! No leg touchy. Just flying uke and some awesome Kata Guruma.

The throw ends up looking more like Uki-Otoshi, but (for a RH Kata Guruma) the right hand can be tucked against tori's body, so that there is clearly NO connection with Uke's legs. lol, I even practiced it a few times where I could flip the bird with my right hand to a friend a few feet away.

I realize it's best to get a vid to show the technique, but I'll do my best do describe...

Tori moving backwards, drops to left knee, shoulders squared with Uke and weight biased towards front foot into uke, left hand acts like it's almost combing back Tori's hair, and right as left hand is done "combing hair", cuts forward about bottom of rib level and stops to provide kime. (hand is performing small circle, or wheel)

ANYWAY, after watching this technique and realizing it's application within Shiai WITHOUT any sort of leg grab, are there any other techniques that can be modified to fit within the constraints of the new rules?

OR, is this still considered illegal even though my hands are never touching the legs?

This post has been edited by Auspex: 13 March 2010 - 07:03 AM

[ThePieman]

Hi Auspex.

Another way in which we are being taught to get around the rule change is to use uke's jacket to our advantage. If uke's jacket has come loose from the belt, and is just hanging, grip the jacket at the bottom corner wrapping it across his lower body. This gives good control and a good alternative to the leg grab in Kata Guruma and is perfectly legal.


Hope this helps.

Damian.

[Auspex]

Yes! Pieman!

That sounds really cool...I appreciate a positive response, I don't get too many here :)

I've never attempted Kata Guruma in shiai before, but since I'm sort of a compact individual, I figure I'd try it out...

[Longlegs]

I have the same problem, I'd like to use morote gari. I'm thinking of rushing forward and hugging the waist with one hand and grabbing the obi from the back with the other hand. Then lifting up a bit while pushing hard.

Haven't tested it yet. Anybody tried it?

[SODO]

Longlegs, on 15 March 2010 - 03:36 PM, said:

I have the same problem, I'd like to use morote gari. I'm thinking of rushing forward and hugging the waist with one hand and grabbing the obi from the back with the other hand. Then lifting up a bit while pushing hard.

Haven't tested it yet. Anybody tried it?

and what would doing what you describe have to do with marote gari?

atb

sodo

[JoshuaResnick]

There are a lot of ways that the throws can be modified to fit the new rules... entering with throws such as kosotogake, ouchigari, kouchigari, etc and using the illegal throws as follow-ups when the original attempts are stalled is one way and the alternative is to find ways to execute the same body movement without touching the legs themselves. the thing that makes this kind of alteration difficult is the amount of practice it will take to make these alterations effective, the experimentation involved, and time constraints between now and the Olympic Games (though you are not concerned with the Games it seems).

I think that you will see lots of very interesting alterations take place in the next year... keep your eyes open!

[Marcinek]

For Morote gari, when you shoot, instead of shooting at the legs shoot at the upper body and come up in a body lock, Horrible explanation on my part

[Longlegs]

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and what would doing what you describe have to do with marote gari?

Well, it would be the same movement but grabbing the waist instead of the legs. Best I can think of.

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For Morote gari, when you shoot, instead of shooting at the legs shoot at the upper body and come up in a body lock, Horrible explanation on my part

This is what I mean. It's hard to explain and is much uglier than the original morote gari, but I'll test it out today during judo class. Also I'll ask my sensei, (5th dan national referee).

[Auspex]

What SODO means;

Morote Gari is a SWEEP. It's not a tackle or a pick up. You can't sweep out someone's back...can you? I mean, hell, maybe you can..I just don't think you can.

[JoshuaResnick]

technically, you can use the sweeping motion seen in MG as applied to the spine.. It is actually fairly common in Greco wrestling to do this. It forces the spine to bend because you hug the lumbar close to your self and lean your shoulders/head/chest forward. this forces uke's spine to bend backwards and for him to lose balance.

in judo it is very risky. trying body locks in Judo is very hard to do well. if it is not perfectly tight uke will turn into haraigoshi/uchimata or try ouchi/kouchi/kosoto.

[Armlock]

I used to do a low ko soto gake with a leg pick up finish. I have been experimenting with making my finish a wrap around the waste (similar to a high dive in Greco but with leg attack). It has been hard but I am making progress.

[radzfman]

Basicaly if you initiate with a trip or throw and it is sincere and it fails, you can follow up with kataguruma, Kuiichi-toshi, or morote-gare. I also think you use those leg attacks as counters. I've seen afew failed leg atacks in counter.