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Hello to everyone on this site. I am pleased to meet any fellow martial artist's who are men of honor and who do not abuse our wonderful arts . I came across this forum on an info site, and thought that it looked like an excellent place to get some questions answered and even just talk martial arts. I have been in love with the martial arts from a young age, however my mother would never allow me to practice them for fear of injury, and because she feared it would interfere with our Christian beliefs. Just before the age of twenty one I began to study Tae Kwon Do which I now hold a black belt in the first degree at the age of twenty two. I'm sure that a single year to achieve black belt is absurd, but I worked very hard, and even surpassed the skills of five year students. I do not want to brag, but I would like any advice given to me in my martial arts journey to be as complete as possible. I would rather not get into which art is the best. I believe it is all in the practitioners abilities, and any shortcomings are the fault of the fighter not the discipline. I know everyone wants to think that they practice the best art, but failure is the result of a lack of training, or simply being bested which is no dishonor. Different arts have different strengths. Tae Kwon Do has powerful kicks that can shatter bone where Judo throws could cause splattered brains if the opponent if tossed on his head, or BJJ and it's submission holds. It just depends on what happens, and where. TKD is worthless on ice while Judo or BJJ would be right at home.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this???
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament?
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals?
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem?
What is a reasonable price for lessons?
How much do rank tests cost?
How practical are most of the moves for self defense?
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:08 AM
you can get a lot of information about the history and basic tenants of judo at the judo info site at judoinfo.com.
as to the translation between TKD and judo - they are totally different. Read the judo info site, and you'll get an idea of just how different they are.
as to whether or not judo is the best martial art, it is, but only when you're comparing it to bjj. you're never going to find judoka in a punch kick tournament unless the judoka also cross trains in a punch kick MA. Similarly, you're never going to find a TKD practitioner in a judo tournament unless that TKD practitioner also practices judo. A TKD practitioner is not qualified to compete at a judo tournament. I don't care if you know how to throw people through TKD, unless a judo black belt vouches for your abilities to stay healthy and to not hurt others, you're not qualified. Also, having done TKD, having a black belt in TKD, I know your background (somewhat); you're not qualified. You haven't done near enough falling to be safe in a tournament.
AS to costs, it depends on the club. Costs are usually less than TKD. Further, we're not rank driven or profit driven, so you're not going to be testing every 2 months or whatever you did at your TKD school. Testing costs? it depends, but if you've never done a single judo class, you don't need to worry about testing for quite some time. BTW, if you do a search for it, you'll see that in judo, the average time to black belt is at least 6 years in the US. There aren't a helluva lot of belts between white and black, unlike TKD, so don't worry about rank, testing, testing costs and all that stuff that you've been trained to concentrate on through your TKD practice.
I've had rotator cuff problems with both shoulders, with surgery on both shoulders before I ever stepped on the tatami. I've had no real problem with judo. Does that answer your question about shoulder problems? Really, without knowing your problem, nobody's going to be able to answer this question accurately. Once you have a better idea what judo is, ask your doctor.
As for being tall, there are plenty of tall people in judo. There are plenty of short people in judo. There are plenty of average people in judo.
As for self defense, it depends. If you go to a school that is heavily into competition, you're going to learn a lot of competition judo. THat's still relevant to self defense, but the stress is different. If you go to a more recreational club, you'll get more of an emphasis on self defense. Judo is very alive. Throws, pins and submissions can work well in appropriate self defense situations.
As for politics, again, it depends. If you stay at club level and your club isn't all that political, you won't find a lot of politics. If you get out of club level and get into the whole national organization thing, then you'll find politics. That's human nature. But, unlike other martial arts, once you get a rank in judo, you can travel around the world and play judo with your rank generally recognized. Further, an ippon seio nage in Iowa is the same as an ippon seio nage in Germany or Nairobi or even Australia.
Do some reading in the judo info site, and then refine some of your questions. Or, you could go to a judo dojo, watch a class, and see if judo is for you.
as to the translation between TKD and judo - they are totally different. Read the judo info site, and you'll get an idea of just how different they are.
as to whether or not judo is the best martial art, it is, but only when you're comparing it to bjj. you're never going to find judoka in a punch kick tournament unless the judoka also cross trains in a punch kick MA. Similarly, you're never going to find a TKD practitioner in a judo tournament unless that TKD practitioner also practices judo. A TKD practitioner is not qualified to compete at a judo tournament. I don't care if you know how to throw people through TKD, unless a judo black belt vouches for your abilities to stay healthy and to not hurt others, you're not qualified. Also, having done TKD, having a black belt in TKD, I know your background (somewhat); you're not qualified. You haven't done near enough falling to be safe in a tournament.
AS to costs, it depends on the club. Costs are usually less than TKD. Further, we're not rank driven or profit driven, so you're not going to be testing every 2 months or whatever you did at your TKD school. Testing costs? it depends, but if you've never done a single judo class, you don't need to worry about testing for quite some time. BTW, if you do a search for it, you'll see that in judo, the average time to black belt is at least 6 years in the US. There aren't a helluva lot of belts between white and black, unlike TKD, so don't worry about rank, testing, testing costs and all that stuff that you've been trained to concentrate on through your TKD practice.
I've had rotator cuff problems with both shoulders, with surgery on both shoulders before I ever stepped on the tatami. I've had no real problem with judo. Does that answer your question about shoulder problems? Really, without knowing your problem, nobody's going to be able to answer this question accurately. Once you have a better idea what judo is, ask your doctor.
As for being tall, there are plenty of tall people in judo. There are plenty of short people in judo. There are plenty of average people in judo.
As for self defense, it depends. If you go to a school that is heavily into competition, you're going to learn a lot of competition judo. THat's still relevant to self defense, but the stress is different. If you go to a more recreational club, you'll get more of an emphasis on self defense. Judo is very alive. Throws, pins and submissions can work well in appropriate self defense situations.
As for politics, again, it depends. If you stay at club level and your club isn't all that political, you won't find a lot of politics. If you get out of club level and get into the whole national organization thing, then you'll find politics. That's human nature. But, unlike other martial arts, once you get a rank in judo, you can travel around the world and play judo with your rank generally recognized. Further, an ippon seio nage in Iowa is the same as an ippon seio nage in Germany or Nairobi or even Australia.
Do some reading in the judo info site, and then refine some of your questions. Or, you could go to a judo dojo, watch a class, and see if judo is for you.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:29 AM
Ill Yudanja, on Mar 12 2010, 06:00 PM, said:
Hello to everyone on this site. I am pleased to meet any fellow martial artist's who are men of honor and who do not abuse our wonderful arts . I came across this forum on an info site, and thought that it looked like an excellent place to get some questions answered and even just talk martial arts. I have been in love with the martial arts from a young age, however my mother would never allow me to practice them for fear of injury, and because she feared it would interfere with our Christian beliefs. Just before the age of twenty one I began to study Tae Kwon Do which I now hold a black belt in the first degree at the age of twenty two. I'm sure that a single year to achieve black belt is absurd, but I worked very hard, and even surpassed the skills of five year students. I do not want to brag, but I would like any advice given to me in my martial arts journey to be as complete as possible. I would rather not get into which art is the best. I believe it is all in the practitioners abilities, and any shortcomings are the fault of the fighter not the discipline. I know everyone wants to think that they practice the best art, but failure is the result of a lack of training, or simply being bested which is no dishonor. Different arts have different strengths. Tae Kwon Do has powerful kicks that can shatter bone where Judo throws could cause splattered brains if the opponent if tossed on his head, or BJJ and it's submission holds. It just depends on what happens, and where. TKD is worthless on ice while Judo or BJJ would be right at home.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this???
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament?
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals?
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem?
What is a reasonable price for lessons?
How much do rank tests cost?
How practical are most of the moves for self defense?
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this???
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament?
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals?
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem?
What is a reasonable price for lessons?
How much do rank tests cost?
How practical are most of the moves for self defense?
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
The answer is ... 42.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 05:19 AM
Haomaru, on Mar 12 2010, 08:35 PM, said:
i wish you host SNL billic 
And I wish YOU .... and Iizumi-sensei, Smiling Justin the Destroyer and the rest of your dojo... would feel welcome to stop by more often. Lately we've seen quite a bit of PTNippon ... I hope he liked the mahi-mahi? Next month black belts (which you should remember now includes you) are welcome to stop by Magid's in Escondido. Maybe the YDK should rendezvous there on a Saturday morning?
I have your obi, BTW. Just arrived today but ... I leave tomorrow to visit SugataSanshiro by a circuitous route. So I will give it to you when I get back. Looks nice, that little lady at the Kodokan does a great job every time.
The answer to life, the universe and everything is actually and truly hanami season in Japan.
Cheers.
Bill
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 05:02 PM
billc, on Mar 12 2010, 09:19 PM, said:
And I wish YOU .... and Iizumi-sensei, Smiling Justin the Destroyer and the rest of your dojo... would feel welcome to stop by more often. Lately we've seen quite a bit of PTNippon ... I hope he liked the mahi-mahi? Next month black belts (which you should remember now includes you) are welcome to stop by Magid's in Escondido. Maybe the YDK should rendezvous there on a Saturday morning?
I have your obi, BTW. Just arrived today but ... I leave tomorrow to visit SugataSanshiro by a circuitous route. So I will give it to you when I get back. Looks nice, that little lady at the Kodokan does a great job every time.
The answer to life, the universe and everything is actually and truly hanami season in Japan.
Cheers.
Bill
I have your obi, BTW. Just arrived today but ... I leave tomorrow to visit SugataSanshiro by a circuitous route. So I will give it to you when I get back. Looks nice, that little lady at the Kodokan does a great job every time.
The answer to life, the universe and everything is actually and truly hanami season in Japan.
Cheers.
Bill
Wokked mahi mahi, beer and fresh tangelos, what's not to like?
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"In battle, if you you make your opponent flinch, you have already won." --- Miyamoto Musashi (1584-1645)
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 04:10 PM
Ill Yudanja, on 12 March 2010 - 10:00 PM, said:
Hello to everyone on this site. I am pleased to meet any fellow martial artist's who are men of honor and who do not abuse our wonderful arts . I came across this forum on an info site, and thought that it looked like an excellent place to get some questions answered and even just talk martial arts. I have been in love with the martial arts from a young age, however my mother would never allow me to practice them for fear of injury, and because she feared it would interfere with our Christian beliefs. Just before the age of twenty one I began to study Tae Kwon Do which I now hold a black belt in the first degree at the age of twenty two. I'm sure that a single year to achieve black belt is absurd, but I worked very hard, and even surpassed the skills of five year students. I do not want to brag, but I would like any advice given to me in my martial arts journey to be as complete as possible. I would rather not get into which art is the best. I believe it is all in the practitioners abilities, and any shortcomings are the fault of the fighter not the discipline. I know everyone wants to think that they practice the best art, but failure is the result of a lack of training, or simply being bested which is no dishonor. Different arts have different strengths. Tae Kwon Do has powerful kicks that can shatter bone where Judo throws could cause splattered brains if the opponent if tossed on his head, or BJJ and it's submission holds. It just depends on what happens, and where. TKD is worthless on ice while Judo or BJJ would be right at home.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this???
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament?
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals?
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem?
What is a reasonable price for lessons?
How much do rank tests cost?
How practical are most of the moves for self defense?
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this???
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament?
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals?
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem?
What is a reasonable price for lessons?
How much do rank tests cost?
How practical are most of the moves for self defense?
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 04:21 PM
TKD is worthless on ice while Judo or BJJ would be right at home.
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts. Judo has jerks too ... some with lots of medals even. Mostly though, WAY less than TKD as a whole.99% of all the people I have met in Judo over the past 35 yrs have been nothing short of wonderful people.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this??? I think so, but Judo is easier to keep out of much of the politics if you chose.
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament? Matches SHOULD be about trying out your technique.
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals? Sure, but some of the techniques are difficult for tall people.
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem? I have two bad shoulders now and they hurt ... but I'm having fun.
What is a reasonable price for lessons? Free works for me, but most clubs in the US I have been to cost between $80-$100 or so per month.
How much do rank tests cost? In my experience most rank tests (lower ranks) cost very little. Cost of a belt and a certificate maybe and an association fee.
How practical are most of the moves for self defense? Most are VERY self defense applicable or adaptable.
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. Check some of the history of Judo for purpose ... rank tests are months apart and Dan ranks are years apart. It isn't a race though. In Judo, once you earn a black belt, it is time to start learning Judo!
I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance. Seeing something through to the end, or conclusion or a goal, is ALWAYS worth while. Set goals with Judo and do the same thing. I will bet you will be quite happy with most of the people you meet. Good luck!
Anyway getting to my questions. I would like to know about the discipline first. I know Shotokan Karate has humility as a tenet. I find this ideal considering the big headed nature of so many TKD black belts. Judo has jerks too ... some with lots of medals even. Mostly though, WAY less than TKD as a whole.99% of all the people I have met in Judo over the past 35 yrs have been nothing short of wonderful people.
My second question is about politics. I really hate the TKD politics. Are all arts like this??? I think so, but Judo is easier to keep out of much of the politics if you chose.
I feel with my striking background, and small grappling and throwing arsenal I am a competent individual, but I still only feel like I know half if you get my meaning? How do matches work in tournament? Matches SHOULD be about trying out your technique.
Is judo a good discipline for tall individuals? Sure, but some of the techniques are difficult for tall people.
Is a bad shoulder going to be a big problem? I have two bad shoulders now and they hurt ... but I'm having fun.
What is a reasonable price for lessons? Free works for me, but most clubs in the US I have been to cost between $80-$100 or so per month.
How much do rank tests cost? In my experience most rank tests (lower ranks) cost very little. Cost of a belt and a certificate maybe and an association fee.
How practical are most of the moves for self defense? Most are VERY self defense applicable or adaptable.
What is the root purpose of judo? How far apart are rank tests? How long to make it to back belt. Check some of the history of Judo for purpose ... rank tests are months apart and Dan ranks are years apart. It isn't a race though. In Judo, once you earn a black belt, it is time to start learning Judo!
I want something that will take some time as rushing through the ranks is very tiring, but I don't regret the push. It was time for me to leave, and if I had not made it to black belt before leaving I would have regretted it forever. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated and thank you in advance. Seeing something through to the end, or conclusion or a goal, is ALWAYS worth while. Set goals with Judo and do the same thing. I will bet you will be quite happy with most of the people you meet. Good luck!
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 05:07 PM
hey there (:
if you look hard enough, embedded in this forum somewhere is an answer from a very wise man regarding how long it takes to get a black belt. I know you're expecting some philosophical statement, the answer that this individual had is simply that how long you take to achieve your black belt is a function of training hours instead of absolute time.
Consider for example, that most of us practice 3 x 2 hours a week, whilst many in japan practice 2 hours x 2 times a day x 6 days. (:
but welcome!
if you look hard enough, embedded in this forum somewhere is an answer from a very wise man regarding how long it takes to get a black belt. I know you're expecting some philosophical statement, the answer that this individual had is simply that how long you take to achieve your black belt is a function of training hours instead of absolute time.
Consider for example, that most of us practice 3 x 2 hours a week, whilst many in japan practice 2 hours x 2 times a day x 6 days. (:
but welcome!
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