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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:02 AM

I'm the bigger guy, my cousin is the little guy. we started at exactly the same time and we train together a LOT so despite the size difference i struggle fighting him. he asked our sensei to record us doing some randori between our junior judo and senior jujitsu class because since ive been working on my uchimata a bit, i can get that throw to work more or less at will vs him, and he wants a way to defend against it. Just like I want to improve on it. We both have almost 13 months judo experience.

Any help would be MASSIVELY appreicated, for either of us!



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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:46 AM

I venture to guess that you may receive lots of different replies. Some will be beneficial, some may not be. You have been in judo for only 13 months (as you said yourself), so you are a complete beginner. I am not going to give you any particular advice or analysis other then to just say the following:

1. Do lots of uchi-komi every day while ensuring that each entry/repetition is perfect and the same as the previous one;
2. Ask your own Sensei if something is not clear to you;
3. Fight better and heavier people (then you are) to see if your kuzushi and uchi mata really works.

Good luck.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 01:56 AM

View PostAgatsu, on Mar 13 2010, 01:46 AM, said:

I venture to guess that you may receive lots of different replies. Some will be beneficial, some may not be. You have been in judo for only 13 months (as you said yourself), so you are a complete beginner. I am not going to give you any particular advice or analysis other then to just say the following:

1. Do lots of uchi-komi every day while ensuring that each entry/repetition is perfect and the same as the previous one;
2. Ask your own Sensei if something is not clear to you;
3. Fight better and heavier people (then you are) to see if your kuzushi and uchi mata really works.

Good luck.



In response to number 3, I've no idea if my uchimata will work on people my own weight, I weigh about 90kg, and the next 2 biggest people at either of my clus, after me, weigh 138 and 144 kg each and they are both orange belts. They are both also considerably stronger than me and a good 3 or 4 inches shorter than me (i'm about 6'4).

I should probably add that this was filmed after an hour of helping out with the class before my own, and i had already done about 20 or so minutes of randori with some brown belts form that junior class, so i was quite tired! But i'd say this was a fairly standard randori for me, other than that.

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Posted 13 March 2010 - 03:03 AM

View PostUbermode, on Mar 12 2010, 08:56 PM, said:

In response to number 3, I've no idea if my uchimata will work on people my own weight, I weigh about 90kg, and the next 2 biggest people at either of my clus, after me, weigh 138 and 144 kg each and they are both orange belts. They are both also considerably stronger than me and a good 3 or 4 inches shorter than me (i'm about 6'4).

I should probably add that this was filmed after an hour of helping out with the class before my own, and i had already done about 20 or so minutes of randori with some brown belts form that junior class, so i was quite tired! But i'd say this was a fairly standard randori for me, other than that.



Not bad. work on sliding your feet and moving at angles and most important. COMMIT. full body. some of those throws you would have hit with a full body commit.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 03:23 AM

A couple of comments, your uchi mata needs work, not enough lift and you are pulling down on the sleeve, you need to pull up and you have a lack luster entry.
The short goy should use speed as his advantage and needs to attack more, and when fighting larger persons, should be controlling the inside lapels, and he should not be trying a high lapel grip on you, that is allowing you to throw him, he had alot of oportunities for a seoinage, he should learn that throw. work on developing more throws and use randori as a way to use the throws you learn, and see which ones are the most effective for you and develop throws both right and left sided.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 03:34 AM

View Postkanojujitsu, on Mar 13 2010, 03:23 AM, said:

A couple of comments, your uchi mata needs work, not enough lift and you are pulling down on the sleeve, you need to pull up and you have a lack luster entry.
The short goy should use speed as his advantage and needs to attack more, and when fighting larger persons, should be controlling the inside lapels, and he should not be trying a high lapel grip on you, that is allowing you to throw him, he had alot of oportunities for a seoinage, he should learn that throw. work on developing more throws and use randori as a way to use the throws you learn, and see which ones are the most effective for you and develop throws both right and left sided.



Hi, thanks for your reply!

Could you clarify on what you mean by a lacklustre entry? which part of my body am i not commiting enough with? We very rarely go through uchimata in class, and everything i've learned is more or less self-taught, and through my own guesswork in randori!

I think usually we both would have attacked more, but we used this more as an example to get a recording of my uchimata (so i can see where i can imrpove it, and so he can see how to defend against it). about 3 minutes in we both seem to stop attacking altogether; i was waiting for him to give me an opening, and he was waiting for me to attack, whereas usually we wouldnt do that I don't think.

Thanks!
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 03:51 AM

not bad for 13 months. how often do you train? what are you trying to accomplish?

I did see some right and left techniques which was nice.

I think you should work a lot more combinations. I think many of your attacks/throws were just one shot deals. Work on stringing attacks together. keep your posture in between attacks and look to get good kuzushi for each attack.

keep it up and good luck with your training.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 04:52 AM

View PostJudo Tom, on Mar 12 2010, 10:51 PM, said:

I think you should work a lot more combinations. I think many of your attacks/throws were just one shot deals. Work on stringing attacks together. keep your posture in between attacks and look to get good kuzushi for each attack.

keep it up and good luck with your training.


+1.

I would also like to add that you both should really move around more. The shorter fellow needs to work on grips. Yeah, yeah, I understand grip fighting is negative Judo and all but between 2:35-2:55 his left hand is doing nothing. I understand that people who are great at Judo can throw from any grip but most of us aren't great at Judo so I think there comes a point where you have to establish some kind of a grip where you can attack from and defend with. The shorter fellow will learn in time that he can't just let bigger, equally skilled people take their preferred grip and expect positive things to come out of that. He simply doesn't have the tools at this point in time to be able to let someone like yourself take a preferred grip and work from there.

Also, while I think you were doing good things out there in my opinion I don't believe for a second you would be successful with those throw (the way that you do them) against someone closer to your own size. I could be 100% wrong on that though.

Other than that, I think it was a nice randori video.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 05:12 AM

View PostUbermode, on Mar 13 2010, 01:02 AM, said:

I'm the bigger guy, my cousin is the little guy. we started at exactly the same time and we train together a LOT so despite the size difference i struggle fighting him. he asked our sensei to record us doing some randori between our junior judo and senior jujitsu class because since ive been working on my uchimata a bit, i can get that throw to work more or less at will vs him, and he wants a way to defend against it. Just like I want to improve on it. We both have almost 13 months judo experience.

Any help would be MASSIVELY appreicated, for either of us!


Your cousin's tsubame-gaeshi was the best waza during the Randori. As he is smaller he is learning to feel when you are off balance. For you to to learn, as your cousin has, work with the big guys in your class. Working with a smaller opponent, it can be a good opportunity if you reduce your level of muscle by a classic three finger light griping until you can feel him move.

One type of entry for uchi-mata is the one used for the Nage-No Kata. There are others but that is one that will improve your understanding of the technique. Actually, if your cousin and you get some instruction in the first three sets of Nage-No Kata, it would improve both technique and timing even for each of you.

For 13 months you guys aren't doing that badly, though if you included some uchi-komi and nage-komi,especially moving nage-komi on the next video, that would be helpful.

Because of the size and weight advantage you technique is going to have to look pretty good to get a nod here on the forum. Oh, and since it's Judo, we do tend to favour the littler guy. :glass)
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 06:15 AM

I will get blasted for this....but. Uchi Komi's are a technique best left in the past

I'm not gonna call them worthless, but if you're going to take the time and have a willing partner, get your asses moving. If you're playing baseball and you want to learn how to hit a ball, you want live pitches, if available, instead of hitting off tee's. Same thing.

When is your opponent ever in a static position? Judo is a dynamic, adaptive science/art and uchi komi's are a step backward. Spend some time in randori NOT attacking. Spend that time learning the different ways they like to attack, the way the pull on you to telegraph attacks, etc.

Spend time learning how to put your opponent into position by letting them think they are getting YOU into position. And then slay them.

For 13months you look like you're doing great, keep at it!
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:17 AM

View PostAuspex, on Mar 13 2010, 06:15 AM, said:

I will get blasted for this....but. Uchi Komi's are a technique best left in the past


Yes, you will get blasted for such ignorant and completely useless statement. What is your skill level, what are your credentials to make such damaging claim? Would you kindly post some videos of your randori and techniques so we can see this "new way" you propose?

Honestly, you should burn your own gi.
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Posted 13 March 2010 - 09:57 AM

you defenitly need more speed and commitment in your Uchi Mata. You will notice it gets a lot easier to throw as they cannot feel it coming.
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