[Qmystic]

Do you see the new rules changing the judokas athleticism very much under the new rules?

I suppose they wont drop as low so often but in what fuel systems they burn and whatnot?

This post has been edited by Qmystic: 09 March 2010 - 11:35 PM

[Man of steel]

i believe grip strength will go through the roof more than before resulting in more grip fighting and a higher cardio vascular system than before.'
i would be interested in seeing what others think on this topic as well.

[Eway]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it might lower the athletic standards. Most of the techniques that were banned tended to be less technical, more strength-based techniques. It seems to me that these rules were instituted in order to promote more technical, Japanese-style Judo, which is less reliant on strength and more reliant on technique. As we all know, the better the technique, the less strength is needed to throw the opponent.

[judogido]

I think it wont change things THAT much, Q. People will adapt. Certain techniques will be practiced a bit more, other techniques will continue with a variation (such as "drop" kata guruma or the laats/sit through kata-guruma-yoko-otoshi).

I can't see it changing athleticism that much really.

[Qmystic]

Eway, on Mar 9 2010, 07:12 PM, said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it might lower the athletic standards. Most of the techniques that were banned tended to be less technical, more strength-based techniques. It seems to me that these rules were instituted in order to promote more technical, Japanese-style Judo, which is less reliant on strength and more reliant on technique. As we all know, the better the technique, the less strength is needed to throw the opponent.

I hear what you are saying and I think I agree. Not that the ones removed were less technical, I think they were just as much tech as anything could be. Name me a non-technical move?

[Qmystic]

judogido, on Mar 9 2010, 07:39 PM, said:

I think it wont change things THAT much, Q. People will adapt. Certain techniques will be practiced a bit more, other techniques will continue with a variation (such as "drop" kata guruma or the laats/sit through kata-guruma-yoko-otoshi).

I can't see it changing athleticism that much really.

For sure, it wont. But it will mean some and wondering where it will go.

Just wondering where it might fit best

In a way tho judo. It does seem like it could.I mean when breaking down different styles, atleticism does come up and often.

This post has been edited by Qmystic: 10 March 2010 - 02:15 AM

[Qmystic]

Man of steel, on Mar 9 2010, 06:46 PM, said:

i believe grip strength will go through the roof more than before resulting in more grip fighting and a higher cardio vascular system than before.'
i would be interested in seeing what others think on this topic as well.

More cardio than not so much gripping?

[judoka_uk]

I thought Rhadi Ferguson had some interesting things to say on the effects of the new rules on the conduct and preparation of elite athletes during and for contests.


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iWtHIr12pls


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sulDR3Qq6V8

[Qmystic]

judoka_uk, on Mar 9 2010, 10:10 PM, said:

I thought Rhadi Ferguson had some interesting things to say on the effects of the new rules on the conduct and preparation of elite athletes during and for contests.


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=iWtHIr12pls


http://www.youtube.c...h?v=sulDR3Qq6V8

Actually yeah, I remember him saying that strength will lead moreso than before. Thanks.

I hope that isnt true but I think he's right.

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[radzfman]

Qmystic, on Mar 9 2010, 11:34 PM, said:

Do you see the new rules changing the judokas athleticism very much under the new rules?

I suppose they wont drop as low so often but in what fuel systems they burn and whatnot?

I dont think athleticism will decrease but I think more athletes will becoem mroe technical and Im betting we will see more chain of attacks because I believe some players will refuse to give up their leg attacks as part of their tricks.

[JoshuaResnick]

Eway, on Mar 10 2010, 12:12 AM, said:

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it might lower the athletic standards. Most of the techniques that were banned tended to be less technical, more strength-based techniques. It seems to me that these rules were instituted in order to promote more technical, Japanese-style Judo, which is less reliant on strength and more reliant on technique. As we all know, the better the technique, the less strength is needed to throw the opponent.

once again, wonderful post... if your definition of wonderful is "ignorant and biased beyond belief." What, becuase the Japanese or you and your club, were not any good at kataguruma, morote gari or te guruma you are going to suggest that those throws require more strength and are less technical? WOW! news to me, no wonder why that entire Georgian Olympic Judo Team is also their Olympic Powerlifting Team... Phew... Thankfully we got that all figured out, they were just in the wrong sport.

The rule changes were to promote a more "classical" style of Judo, yes... More technical, NO. The real issue that led to the new rules was people just lunging in for the legs without truly standing up to fight.

Have you ever been to JAPAN? have You ever dealt with their university level guys? They are beasts! They are easily as strong as the Europeans or Americans. Anybody who is not completely ignorant and has any understanding of what competitive Judo actually is will know how incredibly wrong you are. please, stop posting on such subjects until you have a proper education level on the issues.

Go ask Rhadi how strong Inoue was. Oh, wait.. I can tell you how strong the guys I fought were... And everybody who has ever made an ounce of dedication during their prime years and gone to Japan to train can tell you how incredibly strong they are and that they do just as much weight training as anybody else.

[Eway]

JoshuaResnick, on Mar 10 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

once again, wonderful post... if your definition of wonderful is "ignorant and biased beyond belief." What, becuase the Japanese or you and your club, were not any good at kataguruma, morote gari or te guruma you are going to suggest that those throws require more strength and are less technical? WOW! news to me, no wonder why that entire Georgian Olympic Judo Team is also their Olympic Powerlifting Team... Phew... Thankfully we got that all figured out, they were just in the wrong sport.

The rule changes were to promote a more "classical" style of Judo, yes... More technical, NO. The real issue that led to the new rules was people just lunging in for the legs without truly standing up to fight.

Have you ever been to JAPAN? have You ever dealt with their university level guys? They are beasts! They are easily as strong as the Europeans or Americans. Anybody who is not completely ignorant and has any understanding of what competitive Judo actually is will know how incredibly wrong you are. please, stop posting on such subjects until you have a proper education level on the issues.

Go ask Rhadi how strong Inoue was. Oh, wait.. I can tell you how strong the guys I fought were... And everybody who has ever made an ounce of dedication during their prime years and gone to Japan to train can tell you how incredibly strong they are and that they do just as much weight training as anybody else.

Bravo. You once again turn a theoretical debate into a personal attack. You certainly do embody the spirit of Judo.

Now, that being said, I stand by my original statement. The techniques that were banned tended to be less technical in their execution during competition; it was not my intention to invalidate them as techniques, because they do have their time and place. Also, any technique that requires picking up an opponent's entire body weight (as opposed to reaping a leg or allowing their body weight to roll over your hip) inherently will require more strength to execute.

That being said, I do not think the athleticism of the players will change that much. Training is training, and players will still train for the maximum strength and endurance that they can achieve while still maintaining their body weight. That is just smart training.

Another thing to take into consideration is that the match times might shorten. The new rules are designed to eliminate stalling and increase the pace of action. It will take a little time to cull the data, but under the previous rules, several sources I have read quoted that the average match times lasted around 3 minutes. If these new rules shorten the average match length to only 2 minutes, conditioning programs might start to change with that in mind.