[JudoDad]

Screen grab from last years US Open.

[stacey]

from that frame capture, I can't tell. There is no context. I don't know if it's a hip check or where it fits in with the action. Could it be hansokomake under the new rules? depends on if it's an initial attack, would be my guess. If it's just a hip check, preventing white from coming in for a hip throw, it should be legal. If it's a second throw attempt from a continuing action for a first, legitimate attempt at a throw? it should be fine. The most frustrating part of the new rule is that it requires a lot of interpretation from refs. In the context of most shiai, where the refs are way overworked to begin with, that's a lot to expect from a ref to get right all day long. At the higher levels? I'll leave that for them to posture about.

[JudoDad]

It was a hip block. White obtained a dominate grip and was setting up to throw. Blue blocked whites hip with his hand.

But I thought the intent of the latest rule change was to prevent defensive hip blocks with the hands?

[Armlock]

You don't even get HSM in Greco for grabbing the leg!

[Ben Reinhardt]

Not sure, but that looks like Robert Fukuda refereeing!

[bythesea]

I'd like to know about this too. I have been told that this would get you shido if it's for defense. On a primary it'd get a HM. But, even though I've been shown a bunch of times now by various sensei, I still feel like I'm not sure, lol. Ref peoples?

[Steve Leadbeater]

It would be wise to simply AVOID touching below the belt of your opponent.

I'm about to have my first tournament under these new rules this weekend
so it will be a learning curve for me.
I will try to gain some insight into what is going on in this part of the world
and get back to you with some information if I can.

[kanojujitsu]

In the old rule and new rules this would be a penalty, I do not think it is hansokumake under the new rules, but is a penalty, bending over and extreme defensive posture

[SODO]

kanojujitsu, on Feb 5 2010, 11:12 PM, said:

In the old rule and new rules this would be a penalty, I do not think it is hansokumake under the new rules, but is a penalty, bending over and extreme defensive posture

Stacey is right, you cannot tell, this is a photo which means it is of the postitions for one fraction of a second, you cannot see the dynamics, stacey

[Mitesco]

Check out the technical viewpoints Neil Adams provides on his website and blog. Very enlightening.

I agree that playing referee when just one picture is shown, is impossible. It's about the action, and we need at least a (good resolution) video to say anything to the point.

[kanojujitsu]

SODO, on Feb 6 2010, 08:22 AM, said:

Stacey is right, you cannot tell, this is a photo which means it is of the postitions for one fraction of a second, you cannot see the dynamics, stacey

I was responding in the context of the picture, since that is all we have to go by, the stance shown is purely defensive, and most of the time, based on my experince is an act of desperation by the Judoka since he has lost the dual and has no options left, but to hold on to dear life, so it is penalized

[JohnGrove]

How can you not tell? You folks remind me of Jaws II when Chief Brody is showing the picture of the Great White and they blew him off with the remark, "Seaweed".

The hand is above his ass. Hansoku for that? Plain BS....