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#1 User is offline   JudoSensei 

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 04:31 AM

I received the following email. Since I do not know the answer I am turning to my forum friends. Any information you can provide would be most welcome. Thanks.
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We are planning to use the attached photo of TOMITA Tsunejiro who were teaching Jiu-jitsu & Judo in NY, Washington, Boston,
and Chicago from 1904 until 1911.
We have received this photo from Kodokan in Tokyo, however, we could not find in which newspaper it was reported at that time.
And we have already checked the archives of the NYT, Washington Post, Chicago Tribune and Daily Tribune, but it doesn't look like an article in a major newspaper.
So if you have any of the information on it, could you please let us know?
If not, could you please help us where we should contact?
In advance, I thank you very much for your time and kind cooperation to this matter.

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Posted 11 August 2009 - 07:19 AM

The newspaper image looks like Sunday Supplement for the New York World. New York World is often available on microfilm at major university libraries.

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Posted 12 August 2009 - 04:44 PM

What is the name of that armbar? Is it just considered an ude gatame variation? I am using it with increasing frequency in newaza, works well when you are on you side with uke behind you working for chokes or hold downs.
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 06:31 PM

View PostTaigyo, on Aug 12 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

What is the name of that armbar? Is it just considered an ude gatame variation? I am using it with increasing frequency in newaza, works well when you are on you side with uke behind you working for chokes or hold downs.


Plain ude-gatame to me.
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Posted 12 August 2009 - 09:14 PM

View PostTaigyo, on Aug 13 2009, 01:44 AM, said:

What is the name of that armbar? Is it just considered an ude gatame variation? I am using it with increasing frequency in newaza, works well when you are on you side with uke behind you working for chokes or hold downs.


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Posted 12 August 2009 - 11:38 PM

View PostJoseph Svinth, on Aug 11 2009, 12:19 AM, said:

The newspaper image looks like Sunday Supplement for the New York World. New York World is often available on microfilm at major university libraries.

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Thanks. I appreciate the help and will pass it along.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 01:20 AM

About Tomita ... there exists an interesting book in Japanese with many pictures, that illustrates Tomita's involvement in kôsen jûdô. I do not remember the name of the top off my head, but it was an interesting and not very well spread book.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:44 AM

View PostCichorei Kano, on Aug 12 2009, 10:20 PM, said:

About Tomita ... there exists an interesting book in Japanese with many pictures, that illustrates Tomita's involvement in kôsen jûdô. I do not remember the name of the top off my head, but it was an interesting and not very well spread book.


Tomita was also the master of Mitsuyo Maeda, since he was involved later on Kosen Judo, maybe he had an earlier fondness of newaza, and possibly Maeda was influenced by this, which, in turn was fundamental to the characteristics of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as we know today... Maybe.. Maybe... Who knows?
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 03:01 AM

View Postloudenvier, on Aug 13 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

Tomita was also the master of Mitsuyo Maeda, since he was involved later on Kosen Judo, maybe he had an earlier fondness of newaza, and possibly Maeda was influenced by this, which, in turn was fundamental to the characteristics of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as we know today... Maybe.. Maybe... Who knows?


Just to avoid confusion, my reference to Tomita and Kôsen had little to do with newaza, but with what 'kôsen' truly means, namely the organization and popularization of judo competitions for vocational schools, in particular in the Tokyo area. People in the US should best think of this in the same way as if judo were an NCAA varsity sport for vocational schools.
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 12:42 PM

View PostCichorei Kano, on Aug 12 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

Ude-hishigi-te-gatame.



Thats a new name for me. Thanks.

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Posted 13 August 2009 - 02:08 PM

View PostCichorei Kano, on Aug 12 2009, 05:14 PM, said:

Ude-hishigi-te-gatame.



Why not a waki gatame?
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Posted 13 August 2009 - 03:30 PM

View Postkanojujitsu, on Aug 13 2009, 11:08 AM, said:

Why not a waki gatame?


in Waki-gatame the pressure is applied with the arm-pit, not the case here.
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