[Cichorei Kano]

1. Starting 2010 coaches will again be allowed at the mat side but under updated conditions and various penalties in case of violation.

2. Armlocks will be generally prohibited for all under 17-olds.

3. I find the third issue the most important. It relates to a discussion we had on the forum here a while ago when a video was posted featuring two female judoka. Various people indicated they would have given ippon for the technique, whereas I argued it should not be scored. The issue has to to with an increased and very annoying habit of referees to give (high) scores for judoka who are basically lifted off the ground, or all sorts of minor variations on this theme.

The IJF will now be clarifying this issue basically siding with me. It will be using the term "wrestling techniques" and "Nossow throw" to refer to various techniques that occur in various positions, that really usually represent types of transitions between tachi-waza and ne-waza. Typically, these are situations where one person is really in newaza, but the newaza is not called, and the other one continues as if it were still tachi-waza, using ura-nage- or daki-wakare-like techniques to lift the opponent off the tatami and throw them. I understand that text-wise, what I just wrote, may cause some confusion, thus I am posting a leaflet that was produced as part of last week's meeting by the EJU Refereeing Committee and ensuing seminar.

While the above paragraph by many of you may be interpreted as a "new rule", really it isn't. What was happening, is that a bunch of referees were lacking a proper understanding of judo and scoring things that should never have been scored in the first place. The IJF should have reacted much quicker to this nonsense that has been going on. The new 'change' simply provides and emphatic clarification so that hopefully those who do not understand judo will be helped in preventing these problems.

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This post has been edited by Cichorei Kano: 30 May 2009 - 07:54 AM

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Cichorei Kano, on May 29 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

3. I find the third issue the most important. It relates to a discussion we had on the forum here a while ago when a video was posted featuring two female judoka. Various people indicated they would have given ippon for the technique, whereas I argued it should not be scored. The issue has to to with an increased and very annoying habit of referees to give (high) scores for judoka who are basically lifted off the ground, or all sorts of minor variations on this theme.

The IJF will now be clarifying this issue basically siding with me. It will be using the term "wrestling techniques" and "Nossow throw" to refer to various techniques that occur in various positions, that really usually represent types of transitions between tachi-waza and ne-waza. Typically, these are situations where one person is really in newaza, but the newaza is not called, and the other one continues as if it were still tachi-waza, using ura-nage- or daki-wakare-like techniques to lift the opponent off the tatami and throw them. I understand that text-wise, what I just wrote, may cause some confusion, thus I am posting a leaflet that was produces as part of last week's meeting by the EJU Refereeing Committee and ensuing seminar.

It's about time they fixed this. The last three years have gotten really difficult to tell if a pickup of uke from newaza is going to result in ippon or matte. I'm glad they are putting things back the way they were.

[smudgeoka]

Fantastic stuff, all good news. Now if you could just get them to get rid of the ridiculous dynamic edge rule or whatever its called, I'll be a happy man.

[JudoSensei]

Cichorei Kano, on May 29 2009, 10:16 PM, said:

1. Starting 2010 coaches will again be allowed at the mat side but under updated conditions and various penalties in case of violation.

2. Armlocks will be generally prohibited for all under 17-olds.

3. I find the third issue the most important. It relates to a discussion we had on the forum here a while ago when a video was posted featuring two female judoka. Various people indicated they would have given ippon for the technique, whereas I argued it should not be scored. The issue has to to with an increased and very annoying habit of referees to give (high) scores for judoka who are basically lifted off the ground, or all sorts of minor variations on this theme.

The IJF will now be clarifying this issue basically siding with me. It will be using the term "wrestling techniques" and "Nossow throw" to refer to various techniques that occur in various positions, that really usually represent types of transitions between tachi-waza and ne-waza. Typically, these are situations where one person is really in newaza, but the newaza is not called, and the other one continues as if it were still tachi-waza, using ura-nage- or daki-wakare-like techniques to lift the opponent off the tatami and throw them. I understand that text-wise, what I just wrote, may cause some confusion, thus I am posting a leaflet that was produced as part of last week's meeting by the EJU Refereeing Committee and ensuing seminar.

While the above paragraph by many of you may be interpreted as a "new rule", really it isn't. What was happening, is that a bunch of referees were lacking a proper understanding of judo and scoring things that should never have been scored in the first place. The IJF should have reacted much quicker to this nonsense that has been going on. The new 'change' simply provides and emphatic clarification so that hopefully those who do not understand judo will be helped in preventing these problems.

Thanks for sharing this. I'm glad to see that your explanations on the JudoForum convinced the IJF to do something about it.

I don't quite understand the second sequence of photos in the attachment. It does not seem to be a situation involving newaza for either tori or uke. So why would a referee call matte when they are both standing?

[Mdrnsamurai]

When will they require mandatory eye exams for Referee's?

Train Hard, Stay Safe,
Good Luck

[Randell]

I never really learned anything different here than what i would have called..
However i agree with Neil on the second sequence..Though i cant relaly see the throwing Toris hands.
Are we missing something here?

[IaM]

Read the little caption thing beneath the second set of photos, matte will be called for the first throw but not for the second.

[Jonesy]

A very positive development from the IJF!

[Mewcenary]

The armlock change I knew was coming... it is great to see this clarification regarding the ura nage variant throws off the ground though. Recently the interpretation allowing a score to be given if an action is 'continuous' has been stretched a bit too far.

However... what is wrong with example 2?

In this example Uke is certainly not in newaza at the beginning of the technique. Why should it not be scored? Is it just a bad photographic example?

smudgeoka, on May 31 2009, 05:39 AM, said:

Fantastic stuff, all good news. Now if you could just get them to get rid of the ridiculous dynamic edge rule or whatever its called, I'll be a happy man.

The new edge rule has been a huge improvement for keeping up the pace of judo contests. What is it that you don't like about it?

[Mitesco]

Great news CK! Thanks for posting it.
News from IJF is not always bad news!

It makes clear to me that Jan Snijders really cares about the restoration of better judo.

[Kojai]

The "NO SCORING FOR WRESTLING TECHNIQUES !!!!!!!" rule, is only for the Nossow throw?

What happens with this kind of throws?
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=isSlZct32Iw

Still score? No?
???

[Cichorei Kano]

Kojai, on Jun 1 2009, 05:44 PM, said:

The "NO SCORING FOR WRESTLING TECHNIQUES !!!!!!!" rule, is only for the Nossow throw?

What happens with this kind of throws?
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=isSlZct32Iw

Still score? No?
???

That is exactly the issue.