1886 Tokyo Police "Judo vs Jujutsu" What rules were used?
Posted 04 January 2005 - 01:43 PM
Any judo scholar here who knows the rules?
I'm really curious about this event.
Posted 04 January 2005 - 04:14 PM
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Posted 04 January 2005 - 06:01 PM
In the description of Saigo's match, it is mentioned that Saigo scored a number of ippons before the match was called and another match is said to have gone 55 minutes.
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Posted 06 January 2005 - 02:34 PM
i read about this in a book called mastering jujutsu by renzo gracie, judo won 10 of the twelve contests and drew two lol
Posted 07 January 2005 - 06:17 PM
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Posted 08 January 2005 - 08:46 AM
judojohn, on Jan 5 2005, 04:46 AM, said:
masahiko kimura lasted for 3 hours!
Posted 08 January 2005 - 09:06 AM
Posted 08 January 2005 - 09:23 AM
The schools probably lined up their students the weakest first. The last pair was most probably considered the 'best' of each school. So that win was actually what the watchers were most interested in.
There is no doubt that the match was decisively won by Kodokan Judo.
To further confuse the issue a bestelling (in Japan) book and later a movie about that book was published in Japan. The book (neither the film) never ever claimed to represent historical truth but many people get their facts from the book.
Then some want to push their own art and present 'lies' by claiming Saigo not to be a representative of Kodokan Judo but from some other jiu-jitsu school. Historical fact show that Saigo started training Judo at age 15.
What is blatant lie is the claim that Saigo's throw Yama-arashi is 'forgotten'. Look at any historical judo books. They show Yama-arashi in its present form. The fact that Yama-arashi isn't main stream (=rare) does not mean that no-one knows anymore how this throw looked like.
Posted 12 January 2005 - 02:45 PM
finarashi, on Jan 8 2005, 09:06 AM, said:
The 1912 Olympic Games in Stockholm was indeed special for the wrestlers. Apart from the 11-hour match between Asikainen and Klein there was also a match between Anders Ahlgren of Sweden and Ivar Bohling of Finland in the 90 kg weight class. After 9 hours of wrestling - under a scorching sun - the match was called a draw. They were both awarded silver medals - no gold medal was given.
Posted 02 February 2005 - 09:05 AM