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#1 User is offline   Matt_Werk 

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 03:13 PM

if you were skinny in your twenties, is it possible to pick up more muscle when you are like 36 and over without the use of steroids

Barry Bonds was skinny as a stick at the beginning of his career, and then when he was old, packed on some heat, and hit 73 home runs, and people thought it must be steroids because he packed on some heat

But is it possible to pack on some heat without steroids at an old age?

In other words if you are an endomorph, can you change to exomorph whenever
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 03:56 PM

View PostMatt_Werk, on Jul 15 2008, 10:13 AM, said:

if you were skinny in your twenties, is it possible to pick up more muscle when you are like 36 and over without the use of steroids

Barry Bonds was skinny as a stick at the beginning of his career, and then when he was old, packed on some heat, and hit 73 home runs, and people thought it must be steroids because he packed on some heat

But is it possible to pack on some heat without steroids at an old age?

In other words if you are an endomorph, can you change to exomorph whenever



Eat more + lift heavy weights = more muscle

Age makes zero difference for adding more muscle ( well it makes a difference in that it can be tougher due to hormone, and metabolism changes).
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:03 PM

No

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:28 PM

uh, Jack La Lanne?

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1954 Age 40: Swam the length of the San Francisco Golden Gate Bridge underwater with 140 pounds of equipment, including two air tanks… an undisputed world record.

1955 Age 41: Swam, handcuffed, from Alcatraz to Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco, CA.

1956 Age 42: Set a world record of 1,033 pushups in 23 minutes on “You Asked for It, a TV Show with Art Baker.

1957 Age 43: Swam the treacherous Golden Gate Channel, towing a 2,500-pound cabin cruiser. This involved fighting the cold, swift ocean currents that made the 1 mile swim a 6 ½ mile test of strength and endurance.

1958 Age 44: Maneuvered a paddleboard 30 miles, 9-½ hours non-stop from Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore.

1959 Age 45: Completed 1,000 pushups and 1,000 chin-ups in 1 hours and 22 minutes. “Happy” is born and The Jack LaLanne Show goes nationwide

1974 Age 60: Swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman’s Wharf, for a second time handcuffed, shackled and towing a 1,000-pound boat.

1975 Age 61: Swam the length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater, for a second time handcuffed, shackled and towing a 1,000-pound boat.

1976 Age 62: Commemorating the “Spirit of ‘76”, swam 1 mile in Long Beach Harbor, handcuffed, shackled and towing 13 boats (representing the 13 original colonies) containing 76 people.

1979 Age 65: Towed 65 boats filled with 6,500-pounds of Lousiana Pacific wood pulp while handcuffed and shackled in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo, Japan.

1980 Age 66: Towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida filled with 77 people for over a mile in less than 1 hour.

1984 Age 70: Handcuffed, shackled and fighting strong winds and currents, towed 70 boats with 70 people from the Queen’s Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to the Queen Mary, 1 ½ miles.

1992 Age 78: Academy of Body Building and Fitness Award

1994 Age 80: State of California Governor’s Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award

1996 Age 82: Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness Award

1999 Age 85: Spirit of Muscle Beach Award

2002 Age 88: Jack receives his very own star on the Hollywood Blvd. Walk of Fame

2004 Age 90: Jack celebrates his birthday with a major media blitz in New York, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic runs a 24 Hour marathon of the original Jack LaLanne Shows

2005 Age 91: Received the Jack Webb Award from the Los Angeles Police Historical Society, the Arnold Classic Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal’s International Infomercial Award, the Freddie, Medical Media Public Service Award, and he was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth’s Freedom Fourm.
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:52 PM

View Poststacey, on Jul 15 2008, 11:28 AM, said:

uh, Jack La Lanne?

Nice steal from my original post. BTW Jack was, is, and will continue to be skinny.

"if you were skinny in your twenties, is it possible to pick up more muscle when you are like 36 and over without the use of steroids" Matt_Werk.

The down and dirty answers to the original post is, "NO." But as with most things in life there is a however. Each body has a maiximum to which it can be build. After about age 28-30 that max declines and I seem to remamber it declines at a rate of about 2% per year. If you are far, far from that max at your 20's and then actually, worked out to try and build muscle mass, then , yes there can be a noticable change. You will not change your body type from endomorph, to mesomorph, to ectomorph. You body type is programed in your genes. You will just be a -----morph with losts of mucle mass. Will the change look like Barry before and after, No. in my opinion he was juiced. See the book 'THE GAME OF SHADOWS'.
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 07:39 PM

I've seen nothing that says you can't gain muscle at any age. One of my clients is 46 and I helped him gain 10lbs of lean mass in about 4 months (no steroids). There are plenty of examples of 40+ individuals gaining significant amounts of muscle mass. While I agree that it is easier for some while difficult for others, it is still possible.

Barry Bonds is criticized for gaining 30+ pounds (amongst other things) in 10 years. That's well over the need time frame for adding that much mass.
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 03:52 PM

i train a 50+year old women who is gaining muscle just from doing judo.

obviously at 18 you can gain more muscle but at 36 you can add muscle as well you just have to get more of the details worked out.

at 18 i could eat mcnuggetts and french fries all day and stay in great shape.

now i need to rest properly, stay hydrated, eat fruits/veggies, get lots of protein and lift properly.

its kinda like a throw. i can throw a 100lb white belt only having done about 30% of the throw properly.. if i want to throw a good black belt i need a lot more behind it...
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 04:33 PM

Age has Absolutely nothing to do with building muscle, if you work hard you'll see results bottom line
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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:04 PM

^^^ I can argue f'r it or agi'n it.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 05:39 PM

Muscle hypertrophy response to resistance training in older women, S. L. Charette, L. McEvoy, G. Pyka, C. Snow-Harter, D. Guido, R. A. Wiswell and R. Marcus, Journal of Applied Physiology, Vol 70, Issue 5 1912-1916, Copyright © 1991 by American Physiological Society.

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We conclude that a program of resistance exercise can be safely carried out by elderly women, such a program significantly increases muscle strength, and such gains are due, at least in part, to muscle hypertrophy.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 06:54 PM

It is possible to build muscle mass on anyone not working out. The results are not instant and are a matter of degree. That exhibited by Barry is beyond the normal degree seen.

I don't think rehashing the Barry matter is something for this forum especially since he is under indictment regarding the case with one of the charges being he lied when he said he was not using steroids. I reference the book on the matter as judo is a brief subject in the book.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 09:20 AM

Well, I'm in my mid-40's and returning to Judo after a 30 yr hiatus. I'm not gaining any muscle, but I am losing some fat.
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Posted 19 July 2008 - 11:00 AM

I was under the impression women increased in testosterone production as they moved past 40-50yrs, whilst men decreased...isn't that why older women can increase muscle mass?

Umm I didn't make that up...but I could be 100% incorrect. :huh:
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