Kime-no-Kata with live blade? Photograph of Kenshiro Abbe demonstration
Posted 25 March 2008 - 08:29 PM
Please remember the era this photo was taken. Abe Sensei would travel the lengh and width of the UK to teach and often had to teach in very poor dojo under very poor conditions with what equipment the dojo had.
I had never seen this 'photo 'till today and am surprised he allowed the 'photo.
Moving on from the shinai have you seen his posture! Wonderful and all the pupils in the dojo in seiza. Was this taken in the UK? Not normal reigisaho in the UK?
Posted 27 March 2008 - 02:52 AM
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 10:51 AM
I am not usually posting in the Kata threads due to my own paranoia of getting something so monumentally cocked up it will expose me as an absolute amatuer in comparison to many here, but I do have a very minute and limited experience with Kime No kata, and we too did use a live Blade for an inhouse test of the kata, the reason for me posting was after me enquiring with Scott of Denver Dojo, who was in fact learning the Kime No kata, for his 4th Dan examination, I eenquired as to whether he was in fact using Live blade himself, his response only showed up how I was not being completely aware of the whole scenario.
His reply was,
"Steve, They dont let the blind guy practice with a Live Blade"
The fact that I have met Scott and was totally aware of the fact that he Blind just displays my eagerness to ask the most stupid of questions.
Scott was however practicing this kata with his wife Heidi, Now, for me, I dont reccomend practising with the missus a kata where there is a blatant opportunity to kick your opponent in the knackers, alongside crack em over the head with a sword, even if it is accidental.
Heidi has to commended for her bravery too here. now she can wear her red and black belt with great pride
Posted 27 March 2008 - 03:05 PM
In fact we spent a good deal of time practicing without any blades whatsoever in hopes that we could master the moves without undue injuries to our partners. We have been using the wooden blades and so far nothing untoward has happen, but just wait...
Posted 27 March 2008 - 06:45 PM
I am so out of form with this kata that I wouldnt dream of practicing it today with a live blade I would return to using bokkun then after many more months, maybe years, of work would I change again to live blades. You need an uke with maturity in judo and tori needs to be at a level of concentration that is very difficult to achieve. You also need an open dojo free from children or others practicing randori etc.
To truly understand this kata one will eventualy need to use live baldes, This is if one inteneds to practice Kime no kata in a non sporting manner. When I was told to change over the level of concentration developed 20 fold and I realy woke up.
To perform Kime no kata with live baldes is unwise for most of us. I was taught this kata by top Japanese sensei, for many many years week in week out, and only when THEY said change did I do so. I love this kata and have great respect for it. My French sensei could knock an uke out in the idori moves! If performed as it can be it is stunning to see and wonderful to practice.
Do think about this.
Now EVERY silly wise ass will go practice this kata with live blades just to 'try' and prove me wrong. Dont.
This post has been edited by Hanon: 27 March 2008 - 06:48 PM
Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:09 PM
Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:20 PM
Posted 27 March 2008 - 11:07 PM
I would guess Escrima/Eskrima - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskrima
Posted 28 March 2008 - 01:53 PM
Posted 28 March 2008 - 04:09 PM
To even think about using live blades you need to be doing the kata at a high level, and have a sensei who is familiar with the use of live blades. After hearing C.K.'s hair raising tale, I think he is lucky to still have all his bits (I am presuming he has all his bits anyway). I would like to try it with an iaito at some point, however I am actually a bit concerned for my iaito as well as my hide, seems like there is a risk of damage to the iaito or saya during nuki kake. Another point to consider, as uke can you stab or cut at uke with a live blade with the intent to cut? Pretty tough.......