[Taigyo]

I have been considering the role of uke in katame no kata. Our sensei has emphasized a particular order of specific escapes rather than just kind of vaugley flailing around. I have found that the escapes are actually effective if done right and more than that follow a sequence where one facilitates the next. In fact last night I just realized, is this an example of kuzushi in newaza? So there are also important things to be learned in the role of Uke.

[Hanon]

Taigyo, on Nov 2 2007, 05:38 PM, said:

I have been considering the role of uke in katame no kata. Our sensei has emphasized a particular order of specific escapes rather than just kind of vaugley flailing around. I have found that the escapes are actually effective if done right and more than that follow a sequence where one facilitates the next. In fact last night I just realized, is this an example of kuzushi in newaza? So there are also important things to be learned in the role of Uke.

The whole point of this kata is to test each others ability to find weaknesses in each others judo. You should, as uke, make a genuine escape at toris waza. You should NOT make these attacks the same every time you attempt to escape as this is not productive to ukes learning and discovering the weaknesses of toris waza? In turn if uke does escape then this will help tori strengthen his areas of weakness.

To this end the lessons learned while practicing this kata have direct benefite to what we do in randori and shiai. The whole point of practicing the kata

As an uke you must escape every attack made on you or what is the point of this kata? For you to lie there as a dead body teaches you nothing nor your tori. Ensure every time you practice this kata you come away having learned a lesson you can directly take from the kata practice into your randori work.
This can only be done if you and your tori treat this kata as a piece of randori and that is what it is. Good luck with your practice.

Mike

[Taigyo]

Hanon, on Nov 2 2007, 06:47 PM, said:

The whole point of this kata is to test each others ability to find weaknesses in each others judo. You should, as uke, make a genuine escape at toris waza. You should NOT make these attacks the same every time you attempt to escape as this is not productive to ukes learning and discovering the weaknesses of toris waza? In turn if uke does escape then this will help tori strengthen his areas of weakness.

To this end the lessons learned while practicing this kata have direct benefite to what we do in randori and shiai. The whole point of practicing the kata

As an uke you must escape every attack made on you or what is the point of this kata? For you to lie there as a dead body teaches you nothing nor your tori. Ensure every time you practice this kata you come away having learned a lesson you can directly take from the kata practice into your randori work.
This can only be done if you and your tori treat this kata as a piece of randori and that is what it is. Good luck with your practice.

Mike

I understand the value of changing your escape attempts, but sticking to a set sequence for beginners (i.e. me) has been helpful in grasping the necessity in creating motion and kuzushi from the bottom. Once I have grasped those contents I can branch out into other good escape sequences and attempts.

[CBJudo]

I have heard both view points from a variety of high dan grades on this. To me the aspect that seems most important in the emphasis of the excape attempt being real and that it is a series of escape attempts where each attempt capitalises on the reaction of tori to the previous attempt, rather than three seperate unconnected attempts.

[Kiti]

Hanon, on Nov 2 2007, 11:47 AM, said:

The whole point of this kata is to test each others ability to find weaknesses in each others judo. You should, as uke, make a genuine escape at toris waza. You should NOT make these attacks the same every time you attempt to escape as this is not productive to ukes learning and discovering the weaknesses of toris waza? In turn if uke does escape then this will help tori strengthen his areas of weakness.

To this end the lessons learned while practicing this kata have direct benefite to what we do in randori and shiai. The whole point of practicing the kata

As an uke you must escape every attack made on you or what is the point of this kata? For you to lie there as a dead body teaches you nothing nor your tori. Ensure every time you practice this kata you come away having learned a lesson you can directly take from the kata practice into your randori work.
This can only be done if you and your tori treat this kata as a piece of randori and that is what it is. Good luck with your practice.

Mike

Thank you Hanon, I was totally clueless about what uke is supposed to do. Now I will go watch a KNK video.