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Just started to be curious. Anybody have idea? And to be safe side let's have two categories
1. First one given in actual Kodokan
2. First one given outside Japan in any country
First non japanese to achieve Kodokan Judo BB?
I'm curious to know who that was
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Posted 02 April 2006 - 09:05 AM
On 3 Apr 1913, in an interview published in Japan Times, Kano said:
"Who was the first foreigner to study judo at my gymnasium in Tokyo? Well, so far as I can recollect now, I think the late Mr. [F.W.] Eastlake -- professor of English, you know -- was the first foreigner who asked me to teach him judo. It was I think, in 1885. Then a retired British Major, named Hughes, came to study at my gymnasium. As for their work, they studied the principles rather than the practical side of the art.
"At present, there are three foreign students in my institution who come regularly to practice. They are Mr. [D. T.] Weed, an English [sic – Weed had US citizenship; his mother was Japanese, and he lived his whole life in Japan] gentleman, Mr. [E.J.] Harrison, of the Japan Advertiser, and Mr. [W.E.] Steers, an English gentleman. Perhaps Mr. Steers is the most earnest foreign student I ever had… he came to Japan for the sole purpose of studying judo. In consideration of his adventure and sincerity, I have been conducting his training myself."
W.E. Steers got a shodan in Japan in 1912. Steers first went to Japan in 1903. There he met E.J. Harrison, and with Harrison he trained in jujutsu until returning to London in 1904. Once back home he quickly joined S.K. Uyenishi’s judo club at Golden Square in Soho, and after Uyenishi left Europe the ever-enthusiastic Steers built a house that included a judo dojo. In 1911, Steers sold his house and went to Tokyo to enroll at the Kodokan. Steers was in his fifties when he started judo, so his most important contributions to British judo were administrative rather than technical. For example, he was the Budokwai’s first Honorary Secretary. Furthermore, people he got to join the club included E.J. Harrison and E.H. Nelson, the man who had previously organized Uyenishi’s Text Book of Ju-Jutsu as Practised in Japan (London: Link House, 1905). Finally, it was through his efforts that Gunji Koizumi, the Budokwai’s founder, was introduced to Jigoro Kano in 1920.
B.S. Oshchepkov was another early dan-grade. From 1911 until 1917, Oshchepkov, a novice priest of the Orthodox Church, trained in judo, first at the Kodokan and later in Vladivostok. In 1923, Oshchepkov started teaching judo to the Soviet secret police. Besides wrestling, the policemen learned to control prisoners by twisting their fingers and lips, and to kill attackers using sticks and entrenching tools. In 1946 these methods were given rules and turned into a sport called sambo (samooborona bez oruzhiya, “self-defense without weapons”).
"Who was the first foreigner to study judo at my gymnasium in Tokyo? Well, so far as I can recollect now, I think the late Mr. [F.W.] Eastlake -- professor of English, you know -- was the first foreigner who asked me to teach him judo. It was I think, in 1885. Then a retired British Major, named Hughes, came to study at my gymnasium. As for their work, they studied the principles rather than the practical side of the art.
"At present, there are three foreign students in my institution who come regularly to practice. They are Mr. [D. T.] Weed, an English [sic – Weed had US citizenship; his mother was Japanese, and he lived his whole life in Japan] gentleman, Mr. [E.J.] Harrison, of the Japan Advertiser, and Mr. [W.E.] Steers, an English gentleman. Perhaps Mr. Steers is the most earnest foreign student I ever had… he came to Japan for the sole purpose of studying judo. In consideration of his adventure and sincerity, I have been conducting his training myself."
W.E. Steers got a shodan in Japan in 1912. Steers first went to Japan in 1903. There he met E.J. Harrison, and with Harrison he trained in jujutsu until returning to London in 1904. Once back home he quickly joined S.K. Uyenishi’s judo club at Golden Square in Soho, and after Uyenishi left Europe the ever-enthusiastic Steers built a house that included a judo dojo. In 1911, Steers sold his house and went to Tokyo to enroll at the Kodokan. Steers was in his fifties when he started judo, so his most important contributions to British judo were administrative rather than technical. For example, he was the Budokwai’s first Honorary Secretary. Furthermore, people he got to join the club included E.J. Harrison and E.H. Nelson, the man who had previously organized Uyenishi’s Text Book of Ju-Jutsu as Practised in Japan (London: Link House, 1905). Finally, it was through his efforts that Gunji Koizumi, the Budokwai’s founder, was introduced to Jigoro Kano in 1920.
B.S. Oshchepkov was another early dan-grade. From 1911 until 1917, Oshchepkov, a novice priest of the Orthodox Church, trained in judo, first at the Kodokan and later in Vladivostok. In 1923, Oshchepkov started teaching judo to the Soviet secret police. Besides wrestling, the policemen learned to control prisoners by twisting their fingers and lips, and to kill attackers using sticks and entrenching tools. In 1946 these methods were given rules and turned into a sport called sambo (samooborona bez oruzhiya, “self-defense without weapons”).
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:32 PM
When did Corstobin Smith earn his Dan rank? That must have been before WWI as well. Also there was Judo instruction at Annapolis Naval academy. Did anyone achieve Dan Rank?
Joseph Svinth, on Apr 2 2006, 09:05 AM, said:
On 3 Apr 1913, in an interview published in Japan Times, Kano said:
"Who was the first foreigner to study judo at my gymnasium in Tokyo? Well, so far as I can recollect now, I think the late Mr. [F.W.] Eastlake -- professor of English, you know -- was the first foreigner who asked me to teach him judo. It was I think, in 1885. Then a retired British Major, named Hughes, came to study at my gymnasium. As for their work, they studied the principles rather than the practical side of the art.
"At present, there are three foreign students in my institution who come regularly to practice. They are Mr. [D. T.] Weed, an English [sic – Weed had US citizenship; his mother was Japanese, and he lived his whole life in Japan] gentleman, Mr. [E.J.] Harrison, of the Japan Advertiser, and Mr. [W.E.] Steers, an English gentleman. Perhaps Mr. Steers is the most earnest foreign student I ever had… he came to Japan for the sole purpose of studying judo. In consideration of his adventure and sincerity, I have been conducting his training myself."
W.E. Steers got a shodan in Japan in 1912. Steers first went to Japan in 1903. There he met E.J. Harrison, and with Harrison he trained in jujutsu until returning to London in 1904. Once back home he quickly joined S.K. Uyenishi’s judo club at Golden Square in Soho, and after Uyenishi left Europe the ever-enthusiastic Steers built a house that included a judo dojo. In 1911, Steers sold his house and went to Tokyo to enroll at the Kodokan. Steers was in his fifties when he started judo, so his most important contributions to British judo were administrative rather than technical. For example, he was the Budokwai’s first Honorary Secretary. Furthermore, people he got to join the club included E.J. Harrison and E.H. Nelson, the man who had previously organized Uyenishi’s Text Book of Ju-Jutsu as Practised in Japan (London: Link House, 1905). Finally, it was through his efforts that Gunji Koizumi, the Budokwai’s founder, was introduced to Jigoro Kano in 1920.
B.S. Oshchepkov was another early dan-grade. From 1911 until 1917, Oshchepkov, a novice priest of the Orthodox Church, trained in judo, first at the Kodokan and later in Vladivostok. In 1923, Oshchepkov started teaching judo to the Soviet secret police. Besides wrestling, the policemen learned to control prisoners by twisting their fingers and lips, and to kill attackers using sticks and entrenching tools. In 1946 these methods were given rules and turned into a sport called sambo (samooborona bez oruzhiya, “self-defense without weapons”).
"Who was the first foreigner to study judo at my gymnasium in Tokyo? Well, so far as I can recollect now, I think the late Mr. [F.W.] Eastlake -- professor of English, you know -- was the first foreigner who asked me to teach him judo. It was I think, in 1885. Then a retired British Major, named Hughes, came to study at my gymnasium. As for their work, they studied the principles rather than the practical side of the art.
"At present, there are three foreign students in my institution who come regularly to practice. They are Mr. [D. T.] Weed, an English [sic – Weed had US citizenship; his mother was Japanese, and he lived his whole life in Japan] gentleman, Mr. [E.J.] Harrison, of the Japan Advertiser, and Mr. [W.E.] Steers, an English gentleman. Perhaps Mr. Steers is the most earnest foreign student I ever had… he came to Japan for the sole purpose of studying judo. In consideration of his adventure and sincerity, I have been conducting his training myself."
W.E. Steers got a shodan in Japan in 1912. Steers first went to Japan in 1903. There he met E.J. Harrison, and with Harrison he trained in jujutsu until returning to London in 1904. Once back home he quickly joined S.K. Uyenishi’s judo club at Golden Square in Soho, and after Uyenishi left Europe the ever-enthusiastic Steers built a house that included a judo dojo. In 1911, Steers sold his house and went to Tokyo to enroll at the Kodokan. Steers was in his fifties when he started judo, so his most important contributions to British judo were administrative rather than technical. For example, he was the Budokwai’s first Honorary Secretary. Furthermore, people he got to join the club included E.J. Harrison and E.H. Nelson, the man who had previously organized Uyenishi’s Text Book of Ju-Jutsu as Practised in Japan (London: Link House, 1905). Finally, it was through his efforts that Gunji Koizumi, the Budokwai’s founder, was introduced to Jigoro Kano in 1920.
B.S. Oshchepkov was another early dan-grade. From 1911 until 1917, Oshchepkov, a novice priest of the Orthodox Church, trained in judo, first at the Kodokan and later in Vladivostok. In 1923, Oshchepkov started teaching judo to the Soviet secret police. Besides wrestling, the policemen learned to control prisoners by twisting their fingers and lips, and to kill attackers using sticks and entrenching tools. In 1946 these methods were given rules and turned into a sport called sambo (samooborona bez oruzhiya, “self-defense without weapons”).
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Posted 04 April 2006 - 10:36 PM
Guest, on Apr 4 2006, 10:32 PM, said:
When did Corstobin Smith earn his Dan rank? That must have been before WWI as well. Also there was Judo instruction at Annapolis Naval academy. Did anyone achieve Dan Rank?
from EJMAS.
Endnotes from Some Background on Captain Allan Corstorphin Smith, Author of Secrets of Jujitsu: A Complete Course in Self Defense (1920)
Allan Corstorphin Smith was a pioneer of judo-based combatives instruction in the US Army. He was also the fifth Caucasian, and the first Scot, known to have been graded shodan at the Kodokan
EN1. The first Caucasian was David T. Weed, an American whose mother was Japanese, who received promotion in 1910. The next was the English journalist E. J. Harrison, who received promotion in 1911, and whose 1913 book, Fighting Spirit of Japan, remains a classic. After that, it was the Londoner W. E. Steers, who got his grade in 1912, and was subsequently first secretary of the Budokwai. Then it was the Russian V. S. Oshchepkov, who got his rank in 1913, and who subsequently pioneered judo (and sambo) in the Soviet Union.
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Posted 05 April 2006 - 01:18 AM
There were some Portuguese or Brazilian folks who trained with Ohno in Yokohama prior to 1919. There was a Norwegian diplomat who received dan-grade from the Kodokan in the 1920s. And there were some folks training with Tokugoro Ito at the Los Angeles Athletic Club in the late 1910s.
Overall, though, yudansha who were not of Japanese ancestry were rare until the 1930s, and uncommon until the 1950s.
Overall, though, yudansha who were not of Japanese ancestry were rare until the 1930s, and uncommon until the 1950s.
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Posted 10 April 2006 - 05:01 PM
On the other hand thanks to Ari Kyllönen I found this from Wikipedia
Carlo Oletti
Again I must apologize for my poor linquistic abilities, but to me "Nel 1908 a Tokyo, dopo aver preso parte a una gara di judo, ottenne il 1° dan dal Kodokan. " reads something like "obtained 1st dan in Kodokan 1908".
That would make him the first non japanese dan.
Carlo Oletti
Again I must apologize for my poor linquistic abilities, but to me "Nel 1908 a Tokyo, dopo aver preso parte a una gara di judo, ottenne il 1° dan dal Kodokan. " reads something like "obtained 1st dan in Kodokan 1908".
That would make him the first non japanese dan.
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Posted 14 April 2006 - 04:02 PM
Is it probable that the first Kodokan grades outside Japan were given by Kano to those jujutsu teachers that had established business/practice and none of the Judo ambassadores that Kano sent before and after WWI aboard gave dan grades?
I managed to find that the first french dan was Maurice Cottreau, 20.4.1939. Source "Un million de judokas : histoire du judo francais" by Thibault, Claude, Paris, Editions Albin Michel, 1966, 270p. It seems probable that in e. g. London dan grades had been awarded earlier.
I managed to find that the first french dan was Maurice Cottreau, 20.4.1939. Source "Un million de judokas : histoire du judo francais" by Thibault, Claude, Paris, Editions Albin Michel, 1966, 270p. It seems probable that in e. g. London dan grades had been awarded earlier.
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Posted 18 April 2006 - 10:23 PM
How about Prof. Ladd from Yale University? Sourses place him at the Kodokan as early as 1889. Did he stay long enough to achieve shodan grade?
Roy "pop" Moore Sr. reached a 5th dan pretty early on. He may have been the highest ranking westerner for some time...when did he get his shodan?
How about any koreans or even chinese? It seems to me that they would be the first non-japanese on the scene? There were some korean judoka that held pretty high ranks in Kodokan Judo during the fifties (much higher than westerners), how about any of them?
Roy "pop" Moore Sr. reached a 5th dan pretty early on. He may have been the highest ranking westerner for some time...when did he get his shodan?
How about any koreans or even chinese? It seems to me that they would be the first non-japanese on the scene? There were some korean judoka that held pretty high ranks in Kodokan Judo during the fifties (much higher than westerners), how about any of them?
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 07:38 AM
the information on Oshchepkov is not entirely accurate. he was promoted to Nidan by Kano himself before returning to Russia.
He did indeed begin teaching judo there, and it was very widely accepted and practiced by the police, military, and wrestlers. in fact, the Russians became VERY proficcient at judo and made many innovations in both training methods, gripping, countering, and the incorpoation of other grappling styles found within the USSR.
unfortunately, when Russia and Japan went back into a state of near war with one another Oshchepkov was declared a japanese-sympathizer and was thrown into a political prison for many years.
during his time in prison the Russian Military and others who were adamantly training in judo needed to figure out a way to not follow in Oshchepkov's shoes. Thus, with the help of a fella (i forget his name) who was very well versed in the tradiaitonal soviet wrestling arts, SAMBO was created.
basically SAMBO is the mixing of many jacketed and non-jacketed wrestling styles and judo. each had different rules and different uniforms. thus, the Kurtka was developed, which is a lot like a judo gi with shorts and sholder lapels added.
after WWII, judo was reinstated into Russian life and Oshchepkov was released from prison. With the growing worldwide popularity of judo, Kano being named Japan's first IOC member, and the idea that judo would be introduced into the 64 Olympic games, Russia began training judo very heavily in the 1950's and 60's.
Their judo style was heavily influenced by the combinations brought into sambo and the Russian federation even had tournaments pitting each native wrestling form against one another to determine which techniques, styles, rules, etc were most beneficial and to also study how each form's ultimate goals influenced the training methods and muscular development of the athletes. This was research far beyond its time.
in the end, the Russian style of judo was created with an aim of being extremely aggressive and capable of throwing from multiple angles and grips. This made their players very dangerous for others to deal with and led to a multitude of Russia v Japan team events in the 50's, 60's and all the way through to the late 80's.
He did indeed begin teaching judo there, and it was very widely accepted and practiced by the police, military, and wrestlers. in fact, the Russians became VERY proficcient at judo and made many innovations in both training methods, gripping, countering, and the incorpoation of other grappling styles found within the USSR.
unfortunately, when Russia and Japan went back into a state of near war with one another Oshchepkov was declared a japanese-sympathizer and was thrown into a political prison for many years.
during his time in prison the Russian Military and others who were adamantly training in judo needed to figure out a way to not follow in Oshchepkov's shoes. Thus, with the help of a fella (i forget his name) who was very well versed in the tradiaitonal soviet wrestling arts, SAMBO was created.
basically SAMBO is the mixing of many jacketed and non-jacketed wrestling styles and judo. each had different rules and different uniforms. thus, the Kurtka was developed, which is a lot like a judo gi with shorts and sholder lapels added.
after WWII, judo was reinstated into Russian life and Oshchepkov was released from prison. With the growing worldwide popularity of judo, Kano being named Japan's first IOC member, and the idea that judo would be introduced into the 64 Olympic games, Russia began training judo very heavily in the 1950's and 60's.
Their judo style was heavily influenced by the combinations brought into sambo and the Russian federation even had tournaments pitting each native wrestling form against one another to determine which techniques, styles, rules, etc were most beneficial and to also study how each form's ultimate goals influenced the training methods and muscular development of the athletes. This was research far beyond its time.
in the end, the Russian style of judo was created with an aim of being extremely aggressive and capable of throwing from multiple angles and grips. This made their players very dangerous for others to deal with and led to a multitude of Russia v Japan team events in the 50's, 60's and all the way through to the late 80's.
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Posted 05 May 2006 - 06:45 PM
kodokanjudo, on Apr 18 2006, 10:23 PM, said:
How about Prof. Ladd from Yale University? Sourses place him at the Kodokan as early as 1889. Did he stay long enough to achieve shodan grade?
Roy "pop" Moore Sr. reached a 5th dan pretty early on. He may have been the highest ranking westerner for some time...when did he get his shodan?
How about any koreans or even chinese? It seems to me that they would be the first non-japanese on the scene? There were some korean judoka that held pretty high ranks in Kodokan Judo during the fifties (much higher than westerners), how about any of them?
Roy "pop" Moore Sr. reached a 5th dan pretty early on. He may have been the highest ranking westerner for some time...when did he get his shodan?
How about any koreans or even chinese? It seems to me that they would be the first non-japanese on the scene? There were some korean judoka that held pretty high ranks in Kodokan Judo during the fifties (much higher than westerners), how about any of them?
You may wish to ask Roy Moore, Jr about this but I remember Roy "pop" Moore Sr as yodan back in 1966. He told me several times that he was not interested in rank and was happy to have been Kodokan yodan. I think before he passed away sometime around 1987 that he was advanced to godan, but have never asked. Roy is getting on in age and is a member of the Navy Judo Club at North Island in San Diego. Maybe Jerry Hays may know as well.
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Posted 06 May 2006 - 05:40 AM
Roy Moore, Jr., son of Pop Moore, made shodan in Japan in 1937. Roy Jr. will be 85 in June. I will ask him if he knows when Pop was promoted to shodan.
Some info on Pop Moore. When he died in 1980, he was a 6th Dan. In 1932 Dr. Kano asked Pop, who was a former world wrestling champion to be the coach of Japan Olympic Team. One member of that team was Kotani, who took a bronze medal in the 32 Olympics.
Also, I do not know when Pop started judo, however, Roy Jr. started in 1926, at 5 years of age.
BTW - Roy Jr. and I are members of Heisei Judo Dojo in Chula Vista, CA. Dusty met Roy Jr. last years at a workout at the Naval Air Station at North Island.
Jerry Hays
Santee, CA.
Some info on Pop Moore. When he died in 1980, he was a 6th Dan. In 1932 Dr. Kano asked Pop, who was a former world wrestling champion to be the coach of Japan Olympic Team. One member of that team was Kotani, who took a bronze medal in the 32 Olympics.
Also, I do not know when Pop started judo, however, Roy Jr. started in 1926, at 5 years of age.
BTW - Roy Jr. and I are members of Heisei Judo Dojo in Chula Vista, CA. Dusty met Roy Jr. last years at a workout at the Naval Air Station at North Island.
Jerry Hays
Santee, CA.
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