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We train mostly in Judo, Jujitsu & pressure points. We have several students that believe Aikido is the best martial art for self defense. Most of them just started and haven't been in our class or Aikido very long.
I look at Aikido like most Karate/TKD styles in this country. If you are in close or on the ground these styles are useless.
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Aikido as a self defense
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:38 PM
Aikido is certainly not the best martial art for self defense but it can be useful for self defense, especially as as an advanced martial art after you already have experience with something like Judo. It has alot of good techniques for controllling and subduing people while doing minimal injury. But once the situation becomes either close standup or ground grappling, Aikido has limited use.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 02:45 PM
True. We use techniques from Judo, Jujitsu, Aikido, Karate and some pressure points and we call it a style of Jujitsu. We have several students that start a new art (like Aikido or Karate) and think it is the best thing since sliced bread. Then after a while the come back down to earth and find out it wasn't that great.
Why is that? Most of these students are green belts or below.
Why not learn as many styles as possible or that you like instead of looking at one art as being better then the others?
Why is that? Most of these students are green belts or below.
Why not learn as many styles as possible or that you like instead of looking at one art as being better then the others?
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 03:19 PM
I think as a rule people know my feelings on aikido. It's not for me, and I don't see it as quite as viable as other arts for self defense. Y'know, I think that a lot of the moves look really cool, and Steven Seagal makes them look awesome in movies, and because stunt double bodies can move like that, people think that gives it legitimacy. I'm just not convinced. I think in THEORY, most aikido stuff probably would work. The problem is the threshold for error. If I use a judo throw, there's a little bit wider margin of error. If I don't place my foot JUST RIGHT on a throw, I can probably still get it. If I throw a punch, and it hits the guy's nose instead of his jaw, it's still gonna do what I want it to do. With aikido, I think the margin of error is so small that you just can't rely on it in a heated situation. The most technically proficient fighters anywhere sometimes end up in a "scramble"; i.e., things get to moving so fast and the opponents are neutralizing each other so well that technique becomes less important than instinct. The "scramble" is where I see aikido and other similar arts falling apart; if the opponent isn't in that perfect position for your awesome move to work, what are you gonna do?
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 03:31 PM
Aikido is utterly useless in terms of self defense.
It is useful against a drunk or a person with very little athletic ability and no training. It can also be of use against semi-compliant people, such as a person who is being taken into custody by law enforcement, where the person isn't fully cooperating, but not stupid enough to completely resist.
The problem is that when looked at from a cost/benefit ratio, it really makes no sense to invest the time, money and effort into training aikido if your goal is self defense.
It is useful against a drunk or a person with very little athletic ability and no training. It can also be of use against semi-compliant people, such as a person who is being taken into custody by law enforcement, where the person isn't fully cooperating, but not stupid enough to completely resist.
The problem is that when looked at from a cost/benefit ratio, it really makes no sense to invest the time, money and effort into training aikido if your goal is self defense.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 03:42 PM
RITF pretty much nailed it. It takes a very long time to become proficient enough in Aikido to be able to apply it effectively.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 05:58 PM
Lee, on Mar 23 2006, 05:50 PM, said:
there is a very fine interview in this months martial arts illustrated,with a british aikido man .
check out. www.ellisaikido.org
they sound like ritf's kinda guys.
check out. www.ellisaikido.org
they sound like ritf's kinda guys.
ech...not really. Same superman stories as the mystical aikido guys, but STILL nobody is proving anything to me.
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I dont think you are a bigot just intolerant and void of compassion and understanding (perhaps?)-Akeru
teatime, on Sep 8 2007, 02:51 PM, said:
I told you I have no new arguments, you didn't "prove" it.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:00 PM
in aikido you are taught te hodoki (freeing the hands) which is very usefull when you get grapped. ppl are taught tai se bakki, which is brilliant when a fist is incoming. ppl are taught how to control ppl standing up, or going down. I think these are all elements which come in handy in selfdefense. so saying aikido is useless would be stupid. I know for sure im not going to attack an aikido black belt without much consideration on how to attack (and of course within a controlled area).
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:37 PM
Good question. Any videos of aikido vs other martial arts or in any full contact competitions? Maybe some aikido moves in those turnaments? That could be at least some indication of aikido value in self-defence.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:46 PM
dutchbudoka, on Mar 23 2006, 06:00 PM, said:
in aikido you are taught te hodoki (freeing the hands) which is very usefull when you get grapped. ppl are taught tai se bakki, which is brilliant when a fist is incoming. ppl are taught how to control ppl standing up, or going down. I think these are all elements which come in handy in selfdefense. so saying aikido is useless would be stupid. I know for sure im not going to attack an aikido black belt without much consideration on how to attack (and of course within a controlled area).
Just because people are taught all of those things, doesn't mean they actually work. People are still taught Dim Mak and chi projection. Who knows, maybe some people can actually make those work, but for most of us mere mortals, no such luck. Aikido is ALMOST useless, and once again not worth the time, money and effort involved IF self defense is the main goal.
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Posted 23 March 2006 - 06:56 PM
Guest, on Mar 23 2006, 09:31 AM, said:
The problem is that when looked at from a cost/benefit ratio, it really makes no sense to invest the time, money and effort into training aikido if your goal is self defense.
There are also better things than Judo or BJJ or any other Martial Art that you can list. A handgun has a much shorter training time, and it has a much safer combat distance. I'm not saying that shooting someone is the answer to every altercation, but that if most people examine their training, maybe its a factor but its not the only factor.
Now is my aikido going to defend me against say Silva or Ortiz? Nope, I don't have the kind of training time to catch up with them even if I catered what I train to counter what they are strong in.
Do I have a chance to be assaulted by someone like that where I live? Well, not likely. There are a few MMA hopefulls in town, but if they hope to be making money in MMA, then they are spending their time training for MMA not assaulting people leaving an Aikido Dojo.
Well, what am I going to run into then? A couple, maybe more, slender teen to twenty somethings, maybe a handgun in the group (in which case things don't look good for me however I train) maybe some knives.
Yoseikan aikido offers me multiple attacker randori and weapon randori. Which is better than the competition mindset of most MA schools around here.
So, can I beat the local competitors in a setting with limited rules? Maybe, maybe not.
Would a win in a ruled setting translate into a win in "the street"? Probably, but how often do skilled MA students in modern settings roam the streets looking for people to assault? Asside from a school in Louisiana I have never heard of it being done. Understand, that as a Martial Artist, after just a little training your hand-to-hand combat training exceeds in time and often in quality people whose jobs entail physical confrontation. (Of course hand-to-hand is often a lower training priority in those positions compared to modern weaponry and other tactics.)
This post has been edited by internerdj: 23 March 2006 - 06:57 PM
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